you couldnt stop sinning if u wanted to..

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  1. TheBigPayback

    TheBigPayback God Particle

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    Because they were enticed by the idea 'they would be like God'
    Not that ' they would know right from wrong'
    When in fact they already were ' like god' because they were made from him
    They had a personal relationship with him. Walked with him. That was the only thing besides multiply and keep upbthe Garden they were asked to do. The issue is disobediance wether they knew right from wrong or not. They were told not to touch it.
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  2. reggie jax

    reggie jax Well-Known Member

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    do you think you can separate loyalty from morality?
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  3. NightmareEx

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    I'm glad someone gets it. There is simply no defense in what god perpetrated on Adam and Eve. Just defending it makes me question the morality to the one defending it. So what you're saying is you're going to beat the hell out of your mentally handicapped child because he/she doesn't know better? What? That's cruel and wrong? Well why can god do it? Rules for god being different double standard is the weakest of all theist apologetics.
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  4. TheBigPayback

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    That was the only vommand they did not follow. So your telling me they knew to follow Gods direction im one thing but not the other. Wether they knew right from wrong or not they knew to obey God or they wouldnt have been hesitant when satan girst presented the idea, there wws apprehention there. That implies they knew what not to do.
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  5. reggie jax

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    they were initially inclined to follow his command not to eat the fruit lest they should die until the serpent persuaded them that this was not so, and that the fruit would give them knowledge instead. they were inclined to follow god's word initially but there's no indication that they did so out of sheer obedience or loyalty, or that they understood why they should swear obedience to him. the reason he gives them is that they will die, which doesn't require any moral understanding. though i suspect we've reached our usual dead end in this discussion where neither of us will be swayed.

    taking a few steps backwards, i'd like to ask you: what do you think was the significance of eating the fruit? i.e. how did taking that bite change man in gen 3:6-7?
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  6. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    thats fine

    im just saying i know that i like to be happy without anybody telling me

    im not a robot
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  7. TheBigPayback

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    It changed them by switching their aligiance. By disobeying God, and obeying satan man handed over dominion that man was given over to satan. 'They died' spiritually, rather than physically. They sinned against God, which made it nessicary for God to have to be seperated from man, which is why things are like they are.
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  8. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    the answer is yes i could

    and so could you


    /end thread
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  9. TheBigPayback

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    Lol. Try it for one day.
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  10. TheBigPayback

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    The answer seems to be yall trying to relieve responsibility for thing u do thats wrong
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  11. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    its like you think humans are retards


    Its easy as fuck to not sin

    jesus...

    you guys act like its some crazy ass puzzle nobody has solved.


    well for you information TONS of people live daily without sinning

    sheltered world you live in

    i know people who dont sin. Remember you said its only a sin if you act on it....
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  12. TheBigPayback

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    Id be impressed if you could actually go a day without sinning. But im talking everything, cussing, selfishness, pride, anger, worry, lying, vheating, stealing, gossiping, half the things we do on a regular basis we dont like to recognize is sin. But try it and report back to us
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  13. reggie jax

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    why does it say their eyes were opened and they noticed they were naked?

    i have no need to try to shift any blame - i am not at all ashamed of my own human nature. i just think the garden story is rather peculiar.

    if anything, suggesting that i couldn't stop sinning if i wanted to would be all i needed to justify sinning to myself, if sin was actually a concept i believed in.
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    i feel that god disowning adam and eve for falling to peer pressure is way to severe a crime. i mean this is the first time they ever disobeyed and they neither understand the concept of good and evil or have experienced a consequence.

    i mean damn has there ever been somebody that learned anything without messing up first? i dont mean to sound like Nightmare but god is a fucked up concept when u actually read the bible.
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  15. M-theory

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    When Jesus stood up, He said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, Lord," she answered. "Neither do I condemn you," said Jesus. "Go, and from now on do not sin anymore."
    (Joh 8:10-11 HCSB)

    Why directly command this woman not to commit anymore sins if she is not capable of doing so?
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  16. TheBigPayback

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    Because they were robed with the light of holiness and glory of God. And when they did that they were no longer holy the light robe vanished. They were naked.
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  17. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    again....

    easy shmeasy

    i think somewhere youre misunderstanding something cuz to me it seems so silly that you think humans cant stop sinning.

    worry is a sin? never heard that ever. Ive heard its not good to worry, but having it be a sin? rediculous.

    it seemed first to be about the commandments, and moral sins, now your definition of sin is expanding to align with the point youre trying to make.

    Its only a sin if you act on it. You said it.


    My world is awesome, join it, theres TONS of non-sinners, positive things, happiness, love....
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  18. reggie jax

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    are you sure about that....?

    pay attention to the text in red. it seems like you're doing some pretty fancy footwork to dance around the fact that biting the apple gave them knowledge of good and evil (i.e. right from wrong).
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  19. TheBigPayback

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    Im not denying that it did. Notice he tempts them with the same thing he was kicked out of heaven for. That they would be like God.
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  20. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    its absolutely rediculous that you dont give enough credit to mankind....

    quit living in fear. Open your eyes.
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