Wtf? Why IS Samuel Jackson in "everything"???

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  1. Ixtlan

    Ixtlan emceeingain'tforyou...

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    Says the guy who blames the absence of quality roles for Black actors in Tinsel Town on "Soul Plane".

    No, that award more often than not goes to Black athletes.
    I'd ask you to provide me with the name of a more deserving White athlete during any of those years before we could further discuss this issue though.

    Quality roles for actors of Cheadle's ilk is not equivalent to winning the league's top honors, but thanks for playing.

    Snaring (Best Actor) Oscar Gold two consecutive years would though.
    And exactly who has done that?
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  2. Ignorant

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    You still catch that show? It comes on while I'm at work... but I did see it on New Year's... Jada was so cute on that show, but I've always liked Freddie and Kim... Whitley never did much for me... what's ironic is that that show was made for Lisa Bonet, but she only did one year, got fired, but the show survived because it was such a good show and really never needed her.

    I think if Sanaa positions herself properly, then she "got next." KW still has more dues to pay.

    I didn't like the writing, but the acting was superb... Snipes and Lathan ripped it!!

    What do you think of his brother, Omar? I laugh at him everytime I watch "Baby Boy." The garage scene wasn't bad, though... "I gotta ask my woman and her mama for money... how do you think that makes me feel, cuz?"

    Speaking of Baby Boy, I forgot about Taraji Henson... she blew me away in "Hustle & Flow." She gave the best performance in that movie to me. She did another cheesy blaxploitation flick recently, though... if she gets the right opportunity, she can step up.
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  3. Nam Dekan

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    Maybe the so called lack of good roles could be fixed with more people getting involved behind the camera in directing, writing, and producing. Sure it might be on the indie level but that is better then nothing.

    Chris Eyre for example whom is Native has broke through on the indie side and has been behind the scenes in various facets be it directing, writing or producing and has put out solid movies with good roles for native actors and for the audience. Sure they might not be big or well known movies but they are out there and he is trying. Same with others as well that are trying to break through, I think Sherman Alexie even did this thing with writing and directing a movie.

    At least black actors got it a lot better then Native actors by far. There are very recognizeable Native actors outside of Graham Greene, Adam Beach and Wes Studi
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  4. Ixtlan

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    I honestly don't think ADW would've been as good had it continued to revolve around Bonet. I think she quietly did the cast a big favor.

    I find it astounding that virtually none of the actors/actresses in that sitcom were able to land any work thereafter. I know Summer did lots of voiceover work, but no one else peed a drop.

    Sanaa just needs one great performance and I think she's golden.
    KW's put some work in Iggy... I would like to see more from her, but I think she's earned a few stripes already.

    Yeah, I've been meaning to pick up a copy of that film on DVD.
    Just did so a moment ago... Thanks Amazon!!!

    I think the kid's got talent.
    He overdoes it a bit though.
    Did you catch him in ESPN's "Playmakers"??

    She's done some quality small screen work.
    The girl has talent. She could stand to be a bit more selective about the roles she takes as well.
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  5. Ignorant

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    Jasmine Guy did some Lifetime movies... Kadeem Hardison starred in "Panther"... and of course, you know the success of Jada Pinkett... Sinbad had some spots here and there, hosting a talk show, doing more standup... Dawn Lewis played on "Hangin' With Mr. Cooper"... I just don't think the other actors were as strong... a lot of sitcom stars are like that... Michael J. Fox and George Clooney are probably the biggest success of all actors who got their starts on sitcoms... oh, and can't forget about Wil Smith.

    You know, I think it's a combination of not enough quality roles being thrown their way AND them being too selective and cautious... because Halle took a lot of heat from her melanin sister-en for going nude and being sexual (from Angela Bassett, especially)... many black actresses prefer not to get naked... but if it's done in an artistic way, then what's the problem?

    I didn't catch that.
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  6. Ixtlan

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    So like I said...
    *Laughing*

    Cree Summer might still be the most decorated of everyone from that cast.
    I had high hopes for Hardison, but he made one bad decision after another post-ADW.

    You call BBT humping her brains out in "Monster's Ball" artistic?
    Or maybe the 'oh and by the way' titty cameo in "Swordfish"?

    Good show. Bunch of bad acting, but really interesting to watch.
    They aired out alot of the NFL's dirty laundry and were promptly canned after the first season. Tagliabue wasn't haven't it. Even though it was likely the realest depiction of NFL life that we've seen on the small screen.
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  7. Ethan Albright

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    Ok. Deny what the majority of black audiences want to watch. It isn't 'A Beautiful Mind' for pete's sake. And you can deny it all you wish, but if you've got black friends, you know the majority of them would watch a sequel to 'Friday' over a movie like Hotel Rwanda.

    Tell me i'm wrong. Please.

    You're so far into denial you'll probably try it.

    As for MVP:

    2005-06 - Steve Nash, Phoenix
    2004-05 - Steve Nash, Phoenix
    2003-04 - Kevin Garnett, Minnesota
    2002-03 - Tim Duncan, San Antonio
    2001-02 - Tim Duncan, San Antonio
    2000-01 - Allen Iverson, Philadelphia
    1999-00 - Shaquille O'Neal, Los Angeles Lakers
    1998-99 - Karl Malone, Utah
    1997-98 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
    1996-97 - Karl Malone, Utah
    1995-96 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
    1994-95 - David Robinson, San Antonio
    1993-94 - Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston
    1992-93 - Charles Barkley, Phoenix
    1991-92 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
    1990-91 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
    1989-90 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers
    1988-89 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers
    1987-88 - Michael Jordan, Chicago
    1986-87 - Magic Johnson, Los Angeles Lakers

    Let's see...the last 10 years there has been 1 white guy to win. He did it twice, so that makes the ratio 10:2 in favor of black players.

    10 times in the history of the award a white athlete has won. So that makes the ratio 50:10....5:1.... do i need to break it down any further?



    And race has nothing to do with it. At the time when white players were dominant, the ratio was better for them. Then when their short time died, the black players dominated ever since. It's simple logic. A majority that dominates will have far greater odds to win.

    If you have 2 blue socks and 30 red socks in the dryer, how many times will you have to pull out a sock before you get 2 blue?.... You're really bad at common sense.

    I wish there were statistics that showed how many more white actors there are than black. It's overwhelming. Now...most people that aren't trigger happy with the race-card would admit...naturally white people will usually win more awards. Blacks winning would be like an american winning the NHL's mvp....how often has that happened? It'd be like a black man winning president. It's a field dominated by a race.





    but... you'll never look at this with an open eye. You'll just blame everything on racism and neglect the logical point of view. Yes, racism plays it's part but is not the main reason. Common sense allows us to know better.
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  8. Toucan_Sam1

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    Who made black people stronger in the first place?

    The white slave owners who bred the black slaves.

    Fucking idiot.

    It DOES all boil down to RACISM.

    But...you'll always be a faggot so please kill yourself.
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  9. Ixtlan

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    You couldn't make out a Black jacket if you saw one.
    You cannot and do not speak for Black consumers so please stop there before you further ruin what little credibility you have left.

    I'll say this again...slowly.
    Name a White player that was more deserving in ANY of the seasons in question and we can further discuss these discrepancies and the notion that White players are being snubbed for the league's top honors (which incidentally is the issue that has been discussed as it relates to Hollywood).

    Well seeing how that's entirely random and requires no consideration...
    I mean really... Are you the one to preach the 'common sense' sermon?

    I think if we were to simplify those numbers to just the Oscar-worthy actors the numbers would be much more comparable. Even still that does not explain why a Black actor is snubbed the year where he or she has clearly delivered the best acting performances in their respective roles.

    We're not talking about the fact that Whites have taken home Oscar Gold more often, but rather the disproportionate rate at which they've done so. Obviously you aren't capable of following such logic though.

    Read this carefully...
    Less than 5% of Oscar nominations (all-time) have gone to Blacks.
    How can you argue with such a lop-sided statistic?

    Forget that I ever said anything about racial bias in Tinsel Town.
    Would you take the word of a director whose last 4 films have grossed more than a third-of-a-Billion dollars at the box office?

    Last night Tavis Smiley interviewed an Oscar-winning actor and member of the exclusive $20,000,000 a film club. This director gave him one piece of advice...

    "If you cannot give 100% to a role...don't take it. We're graded on a different scale."

    That director has forgotten more about Hollywood than you and I will ever know about the business.

    Do you take him at his word?
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  10. Ethan Albright

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    I could ask you the same question (name a black actor more deserving)....but it's too easy. Just let the point be made.

    As for your 'lop-sided' percentile, it probably wouldn't seem as much if you knew the statistics. I'd bet less than 5% of actors are black... what else would you expect if that's the case?....a handicap?


    and if the director you're speaking about is by chance Spike Lee....fuck no.
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  11. -Oz-

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    I aint read whole thread since it has 50 posts, but Im glad to find someone who shares this opinion. The guy fucking sucks, and so do 90 percent of his movies. He is mad over-rated. It does seem like he accepts any and every role.

    Its to the point where I wont watch any of his movies anymore, because they all suck. Altho, I did watch Snakes On A Plane, and yes...IT SUCKED FUCKING HARD.

    Cant wait til this faggot retires. He crys about rappers taking roles from other people, quit making 20 movies a yr faggot!
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    Cleaner (2008) (pre-production) .... Tom
    Black Water Transit (2007) (pre-production) .... Jack
    Jumper (2008) (filming)
    1408 (2007) (post-production) .... Mr. Olin
    Resurrecting the Champ (2007) (post-production) .... Champ
    Black Snake Moan (2006) (completed) .... Lazarus


    Farce of the Penguins (2007) (V) (voice) .... Narrator
    "Afro Samurai" (2007) (mini) TV Series (voice) .... Afro Samurai/Ninja Ninja
    ... aka Afuro zamurai (Japan)
    Home of the Brave (2006) .... Will Marsh
    Snakes on a Plane (2006) .... Neville Flynn
    ... aka SoaP (USA: promotional abbreviation)
    Freedomland (2006) .... Lorenzo Council
    Honor Deferred (2006) (TV) .... Narrator
    "The Boondocks" .... Gin Rummy (2 episodes, 2005-2006)
    - Let's Nab Oprah (2006) TV Episode (voice) .... Gin Rummy
    - A Date with the Health Inspector (2005) TV Episode (voice) .... Gin Rummy
    The Man (2005) .... Derrick Vann
    Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) .... Mace Windu
    ... aka Revenge of the Sith (USA: short title)
    ... aka Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith (USA: DVD box title)
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    xXx: State of the Union (2005) .... Agent Augustus Gibbons
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    Mr. Incredible and Pals (2005) (V) (voice) .... Real Frozone
    Coach Carter (2005) .... Coach Ken Carter
    The Incredibles (2004) (VG) (voice) .... Frozone
    The Incredibles (2004) (voice) .... Lucius Best/Frozone
    Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (2004) (VG) (voice) .... Officer Frank Tenpenny
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    Kill Bill: Vol. 2 (2004) .... Rufus
    ... aka Kill Bill (USA: closing credits title)
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    Twisted (2004/I) .... John Mills
    Country of My Skull (2004) .... Langston Whitfield
    ... aka In My Country (USA)
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    Basic (2003) .... West
    xXx (2002) .... Agent Augustus Gibbons
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    The House on Turk Street (2002) .... Jack Friar
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    Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) .... Mace Windu
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    Changing Lanes (2002) .... Doyle Gipson
    The Comeback (2002)
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    The 51st State (2001) .... Elmo McElroy
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    The Caveman's Valentine (2001) .... Romulus Ledbetter
    ... aka The Sign of the Killer (UK: video title)
    Unbreakable (2000) .... Elijah Price
    Shaft (2000) .... John Shaft
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    ... aka World Wrestling Federation Smackdown! (USA)
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    ... aka Rules - Sekunden der Entscheidung (Germany)
    ... aka Rules of Engagement - Die Regeln des Krieges (Germany: TV title)
    Any Given Wednesday (2000) .... Willie Nutter


    Deep Blue Sea (1999) .... Russell Franklin
    Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) .... Mace Windu
    ... aka Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace (USA: video box title)
    ... aka The Phantom Menace (USA: short title)
    Our Friend, Martin (1999) (V) (voice) .... Turner
    Violon rouge, Le (1998) .... Charles Morritz (Montréal)
    ... aka The Red Violin (Canada: English title) (USA)
    ... aka Violino rosso, Il (Italy)
    The Negotiator (1998) .... Lt. Danny Roman
    ... aka Verhandlungssache (Germany)
    Out of Sight (1998) (uncredited) .... Hejira Henry
    Sphere (1998) .... Dr. Harry Adams
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    Eve's Bayou (1997) .... Louis Batiste
    One Eight Seven (1997) .... Trevor Garfield
    The Long Kiss Goodnight (1996) .... Mitch Henessey
    A Time to Kill (1996) .... Carl Lee Hailey
    Trees Lounge (1996) .... Wendell
    The Great White Hype (1996) .... Rev. Fred Sultan
    Sydney (1996) .... Jimmy
    ... aka Hard Eight (USA: new title)
    Fluke (1995) (voice) .... Rumbo
    Die Hard: With a Vengeance (1995) .... Zeus Carver
    ... aka Die Hard 3
    Kiss of Death (1995/I) .... Calvin Hart
    Losing Isaiah (1995) .... Kadar Lewis
    "Happily Ever After: Fairy Tales for Every Child" (1995) TV Series (voice)
    The Search for One-eye Jimmy (1994) .... Col. Ron
    The New Age (1994) .... Dale Deveaux
    Pulp Fiction (1994) .... Jules Winnfield
    Against the Wall (1994) (TV) .... Jamaal
    Assault at West Point: The Court-Martial of Johnson Whittaker (1994) (TV) .... Richard Greener
    ... aka Assault at Westpoint (USA: short title)
    Hail Caesar (1994) .... Mailman
    Fresh (1994) .... Sam
    True Romance (1993) .... Big Don
    ... aka Breakaway (Philippines: English title)
    Jurassic Park (1993) .... Ray Arnold
    ... aka JP (USA: promotional abbreviation)
    Menace II Society (1993) .... Tat Lawson
    Amos & Andrew (1993) .... Andrew Sterling
    Loaded Weapon 1 (1993) .... Sgt. Wes Luger
    ... aka National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1 (USA: complete title)
    Fathers & Sons (1992) .... Marshall
    "Ghostwriter" .... Reggie Jenkins (2 episodes, 1992)
    - Who Burned Mr. Brinker's Store?: Part 1 (1992) TV Episode .... Reggie Jenkins
    - Ghost Story: Part 1 (1992) TV Episode .... Reggie Jenkins
    Patriot Games (1992) .... Lt. Cmdr. Robby Jackson
    White Sands (1992) (as Sam Jackson) .... Greg Meeker
    Juice (1992) .... Trip
    ... aka Angel Town 2 (Europe: English title: video catalogue title)
    Jumpin' at the Boneyard (1992) .... Mr. Simpson
    Dead and Alive: The Race for Gus Farace (1991) (TV) .... Hatcher
    ... aka Dead and Alive
    ... aka In the Line of Duty: Mob Justice
    ... aka Mob Justice (USA)
    Strictly Business (1991) (as Sam Jackson) .... Monroe
    "Roc" .... Larry (1 episode, 1991)
    ... aka Roc Live
    - Hearts and Diamonds (1991) TV Episode .... Larry
    Johnny Suede (1991) .... B-Bop
    Jungle Fever (1991) .... Gator Purify
    "Law & Order" .... Louis Taggert (1 episode, 1991)
    ... aka Law & Order Prime (USA: informal title)
    - The Violence of Summer (1991) TV Episode .... Louis Taggert
    The Return of Superfly (1990) (as Sam Jackson) .... Nate Cabot
    Goodfellas (1990) .... Stacks Edwards
    ... aka GoodFellas (USA: promotional title (video box title) (poster title))
    The Exorcist III (1990) .... Dream blind man
    ... aka Exorcist 3 (Philippines: English title)
    ... aka The Exorcist III: Legion
    ... aka William Peter Blatty's The Exorcist III
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    Betsy's Wedding (1990) .... Taxi Dispatcher (Mickey)
    Def by Temptation (1990) .... Minister Garth
    A Shock to the System (1990) .... Ulysses (three-card monte game)


    Sea of Love (1989) .... Black Guy
    "The Days and Nights of Molly Dodd" .... Brother Elvis (1 episode, 1989)
    - Here's Why You Should Always Make Your Bed in the Morning (1989) TV Episode .... Brother Elvis
    Do the Right Thing (1989) (as Sam Jackson) .... Mister Señor Love Daddy
    "A Man Called Hawk" (1 episode, 1989)
    - Intensive Care (1989) TV Episode
    Dead Man Out (1989) (TV) .... Calvin Fredricks
    ... aka Dead Man Walking
    Coming to America (1988) .... Hold-Up Man
    ... aka Prince in New York (Europe: English title: video title)
    School Daze (1988) .... Leeds
    Eddie Murphy Raw (1987) .... Eddie's uncle (sketch)
    ... aka Raw (USA: short title)
    "Spenser: For Hire" .... Leroy Clancy / ... (2 episodes, 1986-1987)
    - My Enemy, My Friend (1987) TV Episode .... Ned
    - White Knight (1986) TV Episode .... Leroy Clancy
    Magic Sticks (1987) (as Sam Jackson) .... Bum
    Uncle Tom's Cabin (1987) (TV) (as Samuel Jackson) .... George
    Ragtime (1981) .... Gang Member #2
    ... aka Love and Glory (Philippines: English title)


    The Trial of the Moke (1978) (TV)
    The Displaced Person (1977) (TV)
    Together for Days (1972) .... Stan
    ... aka Black Cream (USA)


    lol 9 movies in the next 2 years.
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    just like I said...he don't turn down shit
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    Without getting into a big gay race debate in a thread about Sam Jackson, my guess would be he is working on retirement. He gotta be in his 50s. Prolly late 50s. My guess was that he trying to stack chips, cause he aint got many acting years left.
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    Word, Will Smith, Denzel, Snipes etc are all starving.

    Actors like Sam Jackson and Snipes do shit loads of films for the same reason Walken and Christian Slater do.

    They can't say no and/or their agent hates them.
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  17. Ixtlan

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    I'd love to talk Oscar snubs with you.
    That's a different rant altogether.
    If you really want to get into it I'd be glad to oblige you.

    I'd actually like to see the statistics.
    I've given you mine... You're just taking a stab in the dark.
    Get that data for me will ya?

    That director is NOT Spike Lee.
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    Ixtlan emceeingain'tforyou...

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    Hell the average Black actor in Hollywood pulls down a ton of jack every year.
    Again, that was a figure of speech...

    I'm sure though that the three actors you named aren't somehow a consolation prize for the average Black actor in Hollywood who can't find good roles are they?

    While we're on the subject though perhaps some of the actors you named have something to say on the matter of racism in Hollywood?

    On dealing with a particular burden as a "Black" actor.
    Here's what Zel had to say...
    I could go on and on and on and on and on.
    Eddie Murphy, another hugely successful Black actor, has gone on record with similar rants. The same actors who are so widely successful.

    Because even in their triumphs they've faced and endured racism in Hollywood. It really can't be argued.

    Forget what I have to say. Just listen to them.
    You can't argue with people who've forgotten more about Hollywood than we'll ever know.
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    Yeah, Cause Sam Jackson takes every role, and he sucks.
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  20. Ethan Albright

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    lmao @ will smith claiming he's faced a burden as a black actor.


    go fucking figure....some people are so brainwashed to think if someone picks them for the role of Muhammed Ali, it was just because they were black.

    : (
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