would you consider marriage a religious concept? ...

... or secular, or both?

i'm asking because the homos have a problem with not being allowed to get married.

if you are so anti-religion and want to suck dick for a living, why do you feel like you need to be married.

surely you can come up with your own concept which is similar, put the ring on the penis, perhaps? jesus.

it can be framed in a religious way, and some religions have their own rules concerning marriage, but it doesn't need to be religious. sort of like funerals i guess.

also, you realize 'homos' aren't necessarily 'anti-religion?' they probably want to get married for the same reason secular straight people do: the practical benefits + symbolic significance.

i do realize this, and i should have mentioned it but i was in a hurry.

this is for those homos that are anti-religion, and still want to get married because of what, exactly?

oh, so if you don't know them, they don't exist?

there's a direct relation between homosexuals, and atheism considering no religion fully accepts them.

i'd say it's a gay relationship, but that'd be pretty gay of me.

i thought i just answered that. there are non-religious reasons to get married, and religions don't have a monopoly on the concept.

that's not actually completely true. there are religious sects that do accept homosexuals.

sorry mate, i should've re framed my question.

why do they then want to marry inside a church/mosque/synagogue?

do they?

they do.

this thread came about after i watched an episode of insight, last night.

and they were some anti-religion homosexuals but still wanted to be married inside the confines of a church.

those that still want to be christians, muslims, jews - it makes sense for them, but anti? why?

btw, the sheikh they interviewed in insight is a complete fucktard, and i know him personally.

one, he used a wrong name for the show, and two, he said lesbianism is a lesser sin. what the fuck.

i think the church should have the ability to marry or not marry whoever they want. it's the state that shouldn't be allowed to discriminate.

but honestly i haven't heard of anything like that before. i don't think it's something that most anti-religious people (gay or not) would really want. did they give a reason on the show why they wanted to be married in a church?

i'm pretty sure there are also churches who wouldn't mind marrying a gay couple.

i'm thinking it would be to make some sort of a statement. that's all i can think of.

personally the only reason i'd consider getting married in a church is to appease my family, but for gay people i'm guessing the whole "being gay" thing would be a bigger deal to their religious family than whether or not they were married by the church.

I'm thinking Nu'maaN did a wonderful job of demonstrating his maturity levels in this post.

not succinctly anyway, which is why i asked it here.

they just claimed that they didn't like to be discriminated against.

It's both. Historically it's been religious but with how it affects laws and taxes and inheritance and what not You can't deny there's a major secular tie to it