when do we say enough?

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  1. yayo

    yayo Polar Bear LaFlare

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    I am as charitable as the next person but isn't it about time that Katrina victims began paying their own way? If you think U.S. taxpayers should still be paying rent for Katrina victims when do you think they should pay their own way?

    Aug 29, 2005 – Katrina hits
    Dec 07, 2006 – U.S. taxpayers are still paying rent for victims
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  2. identity-X

    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    links busted...

    but if it is related to all the news that came out about FEMA, then it's not about the fact that we aer still paying for Katrina's victims...it's about the fact that we WOULDN"T be paying for Katrina's victims had our government not bricked in the aftermath in the first place.
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  3. menaz

    menaz Avant Garde

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    I know If my house was demolished by Katrina I'd expect the government who had proir knowledge by the way of Weak levees, yet refused to fix them, to compensate me for the damages. Especially, Taking into account the slow FEMA response, plus the blantant fact the Government knew a Hurricane was going to strike New orleans.
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  4. teq the decider

    teq the decider sexual predator

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    If you live in a region with a known flood risk and do not take the necessary precautions then thats on you. They shouldnt have got a dime in the first place.
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  5. th3r3isn0futur3

    th3r3isn0futur3 Active Member

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    chyea mayn... if you live in florida, n get angry cuz you dunno a hurricanes comin... you gotta be pretty pathetic mayn

    chyea the government fucked up about not doin enough but...

    makin the government pay for it is basically makin everyone else pay for your shit... cuz thas tax dollars, n ionno bout you but overall I wouldn't dish out the large amount of money peopole ask for to replace entire homes from my personal check... enough for shelter, food, and water if I'm feelin generous but...

    this long after people should have already been puttin in work, cuz I know people who came to this country with nuthin n are already risin quickly on the economic chain
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  6. identity-X

    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    there isn't a place on the planet that is not prone to natural disasters of one sort or another. some natural disasters are devastating to even those who take every precaution available to them.
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  7. teq the decider

    teq the decider sexual predator

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    So? there are any number of misfortunes that can be visited upon any of us at anytime. That doesnt justify taking from peter to cover pauls loss.
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  8. Leila Night

    Leila Night efrain,you're my one&only

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    Would we not have to pay taxes whether Katrina took place or not? Whether people suffered a tragedy on a grand scale or not? What is wrong with giving aid to people who actually need it? And isn't the government supposed to protect the interests of the people?

    Taxes are not just for military spending.
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  9. identity-X

    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    peter was being taken from to help both peter and paul in the first place.

    paul always gets pissy about having to help others until paul is in peter's situation. then, all of a sudden, the story changes...
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  10. teq the decider

    teq the decider sexual predator

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    Firstly: The argument that government is going to do it anyway so there is no point opposing it is an extraordinarily bad one

    Secondly: I have never accepted any form of direct government aid and never would.

    Thirdly: "Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all." - frederic bastiat. Opposing government aid is not opposing help for the people in question. It is simply opposing the method of theft being employed to do so.
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  11. menaz

    menaz Avant Garde

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    Number 1.) It's a good thing you're not in charge.
    Number 2.) New orleans before the hurricane hit was like a Third world country.
    Number 3.) you should want to come out of pocket to help those displaced people.
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  12. menaz

    menaz Avant Garde

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    I actually think this is more accurate. "ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what can you do for your country." "My fellow citizens of the world, ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."

    You seem to be confused. You want to preach like a liberal, yet you don't act like a liberal. I think your apart of that clan that just bashes government.

    You're too dependant on the GOVERNMENT!
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  13. menaz

    menaz Avant Garde

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    Our government Aid should pay for some damages like they did for Thailand.
    But the people should want to help these people as well. Otherwise, You aren't americans. You aren't united. You just live in america but don't respect her economical values.

    Too many free rides in america. We are becoming weak. We are becoming divided.We are becoming paranoid, We are becoming too tolerant. We are becoming lazy,We're so tolerant it's getting to the point there won't be no america left. There won't be no speration of chruch and state. There won't be no free speech.

    And what the fuck at bush denying other countries help?
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  14. KingMenace

    KingMenace YOU MAD.

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    Just to be fair, why not extend the aid to Katrina victims until the war in Iraq and Afghanastan end and all the aid for that area is cut off as well.

    An interesting article that explains how priorities are set for spending taxpayer money:

    http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/2094/1/128/

    I for one am happy that the benefits have been extended for them.

    http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/12310
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  15. identity-X

    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    frankly, I think you and anyone else who says "never would" is full of shit [dunno]

    out of sheer curiosity, do you have a problem accepting indirect government aid - schooling, health care subsidies, roads, etc.?

    straight up...most people who oppose the method also oppose help. frankly, i think you fall in this category and it shows in the language you use.

    i'm not saying i know you. I'm saying you come off a particular way.
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  16. th3r3isn0futur3

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    well, never quite said I'd fit the bill... but on the other hand, I think there are plenty of people who could do better than the decrepit 70 year old confederate conservatives in the white house... which is actually directly related to our discussion, the lack of prevention, resulting in the over-abundance of funding - although someone did bring up the point of the help in iraq.

    the only difference being iraq is not a country of opportunity - the US is, so aid to them is still several light years behind this country

    ah well I guess they got an upgrade then heh


    actually, yes - I donate whenever I can, and I do support charities and relief-funds. I do not support some of the things people have been doing with their relief/help items and funds... but you can only do so much I guess, a step short from dictating other peoples lives
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  17. Leila Night

    Leila Night efrain,you're my one&only

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    The Peace Corps speech? It was intended for college students; typically people who were self-sufficient or on their way to being so. FYI, I plan to do Peace Corps, eventually. Hopefully.

    I don't preach that people should take gov't aid. everyone, where it's possible, should be self-sufficient. That's all I want. We pay taxes with every purchase we make; is it illogical to assume that a percentage of that should aid people who are in DIRE need of it? 35 million (I think that's the stat) of Americans are living in poverty and I don't think anyone chooses that for himself/herself.
    We should be aiding people in becoming self-sufficient, that is all. Protection of the rights of people was one of the ideas this country was founded on.

    Hmmm. Didn't bash government. The facts speak for themselves: Katrina and it's effects were badly managed at best.
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