whats more of a certainty fact or truth?

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  1. TheBigPayback

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    Facts can change. They change all the time. Dont come at me saying fact is..
    Because facts change everytime new information and new knowledge is applied to a thing.
    Whereas in the case of truth whats true is true, no matter how many times the facts change.
    So u can live your life based upon an unsure theory or an unstable and ever changing fact. I prefer to live on a rock solid foundation based on truth. Truth exists, some have found it, some will, some will forever be tossed to and froe by every changing direction of the wind, but in the end the only thing that will be left standing when the foundation is shaken is the rock of truth it all sits on top of.
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  2. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    1+1=2 is both a fact and the truth

    hypothetically speaking, if god said that 1+1=3 hed be wrong.
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  3. TheBigPayback

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    Yes facts can eventially line up with truth but not everythong considered a fact is true
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    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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  5. Jay Bee

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    usually I disagree wit ur rants but I'm still able to counter. This one makes absolutely no sense bcuz you don't understand that a "fact" is "true". What we thought as "fact" has changed before but a "fact" is only replaced by another "fact" not biblical bull skeet
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  6. TheBigPayback

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    Ya the end result is truth but until the replacive info is there...there is facts and there is truth. And the two are not equal. Facts CAN equal truth, but facts are not always truth.
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  7. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    give me an example
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  8. TheBigPayback

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    It WAS a fact pluto was a planet. Fact is now that it is a moon. Truth is pluto is a moon.

    It was a fact piltdownman was a tooth from a early ancestor. Fact is now that its a pig tooth. Truth is its a pig tooth.
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  9. Jay Bee

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    if it wasn't true then its not a fact its misinformation
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  10. breathlesss

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    pluto is an exoplanet, and you're an anus
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  11. Nu'maaN

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    define fact.
    i think i know what you're trying to get at, but you're falling short.

    a fact is true, which is why it's a fact.

    otherwise it's a theory.

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  12. Sir Bustalot

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    wrong

    they thought it was a fact, but in fact were wrong.


    i see what you mean though

    but 1+1=2 will always be a fact in this dimension.
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  13. TheBigPayback

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    Right but we classify things as facts based on what we know, using the pluto example.
    Wether we call it a fact that its a planet in our solar system, the truth remains its a moon, until our facts change with the knowledge we get that reflects that.
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  14. TheBigPayback

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    Word. Ya im just demonstrating truth holds more certainty than fact generally.
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    pluto is a dwarf planet, not a moon. the reason it was re-categorized is because it was discovered that there are a number of these dwarfs beyond neptune, among which pluto is but one.

    i do see what you're getting at, however this line of rhetoric can be misleading because things like the concept of 'planet' are intrinsically tied up in a number of facts. planet is a term we designate to celestial bodies orbiting a star which are massive enough to be rounded by their own gravity. pluto qualifies for that title. however for the purposes of mapping our solar system, we consider the first 8 planets to be of the most significance. so you could argue that it is our own bias in the model of our solar system we've created which inclines us not to include the numerous dwarf planets beyond neptune.

    the real point is that its easy to pick apart semantics. but try that with an actual fact and things become a bit more difficult. for instance, pluto is a celestial body orbiting our sun. that is a fact. to argue otherwise requires that we cast doubt upon our own basic perceptive ability, at which point nothing is a fact and there is no truth.
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  16. TheBigPayback

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    I wasnt goin for acuracy on the example just to give an example for my line of reasoning
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  17. reggie_jax

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    i understand, i just think that exploring the context of your example helps to highlight what it is that's actually being discussed here.

    it seems the argument you're making might be better aimed at concepts than at facts.

    concepts are what humans use in the models of reality that we create in our heads, as a way to sort of organize what we see.

    so maybe our concept of something might change, in light of new facts. but assuming that our information isn't flawed, the facts themselves are much more solid.

    for example, you pick up a rock at in a river bed. it's a fact that the rock exists. you can feel, see, and if you're so inclined even taste the rock, as proof of its existence. based on the texture or color of the rock you might conclude that its a certain type of natural rock, only to discover upon having it tested in a lab that is in fact an artificial replica, made by some company and dumped in that river bed in order to trick you into thinking you had a real rock. your conception of the rock has been shattered, but the rock itself remains. its existence is impartial towards your conception of it. that is where 'fact' derives its true value.
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  18. Sir Bustalot

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    wouldnt that be a mind fuck if somehow science proved that 1+1=2 isnt always right?

    i dont mean if you had two objects like stones

    i mean if there became a new physics formula because of a new discovery of a force or whatever that made it untrue in all situations
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  19. Look im Gangsta

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    So are you.
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  20. Nu'maaN

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    e-laborate.

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