Discussion in 'Overtime: Off-Topic Discussion' started by Temp_Guest2, Aug 13, 2010.
Exactly as the title states.
i still listen to mainstream
99% of my ipod is mainstream music
if underground rap music was really good then it would be mainstream also but its just a bunch of potheads who make beats and think they can spit on a track
i got the entire carter 3 on my ipod and drakes new album
youtube any mainstream music vid and it has more views than any underground vid
rappers like ness lee and illmac just spit on a track...to be successful u have to create a catchy chorus which gets the fans to sing along
thats when u know u got a hit...when the fans can sing along to the song when it plays on the radio
but since underground rap doesnt go on radio...no one ca sing along
thus mainstream > > >
I'm gonna be honest. I don't like questions like this because there has always been ups and downs, and there has always been good music lingering around, even in the mainstream, and sometimes the good gets mistaken for the bad do to slight similarity.
I'd say its relative. Some people I know refuse to listen to any rap post Illmatic. Some won't listen to post 2002. I go to bars a lot, so part of me likes the new stuff more almost. I like 90's rap the best, but so far 2010 has been a lot better than the last few years imo, but some would disagree.
and whenever memphis bleek came out on his own
I just pretend that Memphis Bleek doesn't exist
hate me now is dope song
its in def jam icon
i also enjoy mainstream games
I ain't saying it's flat. I'm just saying, to me most mainstream Hip-Hop after 2003 seemed to dip fast
Yeah there were some times in the 90's when I thought that. Some people consider the 80's to be the low point of all music, some think the opposite. Our kids will probably listen to the corny music that came out this decade and think its the coolest shit ever.
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Can't argue with 2003. IMO it's either that or 2002.
when Pun died. There was still some shit out there but in terms of NY mainstream rap it died around the same time Pun did, regardless of Roc-A-Fella keeping things going for a few more years. One company can't keep something like that alive.
In terms of West Coast rap, '96. Double blow of Snoop's second, and all subsequent, albums sucking and Pac stupidly getting himself killed (yeah, not hard to "predict" your death when you're a reckless black dude from Oakland that's always getting himself into some dumb shit, eh?)
In terms of Southern rap, I'd say '09. Shit is kind of whatever and getting old at this point.
When Big L died.
The question isn't when mainstream rap went bad...it's when rap went mainstream
Hip hop as an entire genre used to be underground...it was only in the black community, it was created as a type of freedom of expression in response to the mainstream music that was big at the time.... it needed it's own billboard because none of the songs or cds could make the overall one, and the only media attention it got was when there would be a rare story about how it was too violent...the more and more it's gotten bigger and into the "mainstream" music scene, the more it's been watered down to appeal to a larger audience, and the more rich investors have seen opportunity to make money in it.... so rich white people who know nothing about the culture and nothing about the genre have come in and just made it a marketing game.
Although it's been an evolution the entire time, you can see the big shift happening in the early 2000's. Now a days 90% of the top 100 billboard are these rap songs that are basically just a merger of rap/pop/rock genres with the familiar black faces that people are used to, but the beats and hooks that draw in a range from 13 year old girls all the way to middle aged guys who put it on espn and in sports arenas
Actually, in terms of the thread, that is the question.
2002-2003 era... that boom of Ja Rule, Ludacris and Nelly
and just for a thought
95 - Eazy E
96 - Pac
97 - Biggie
99 - Big L
00 - Pun
01 - Aaliyah
02 - Jam Master Jay
Seriously. Who cares if its mainstream or underground as long as the music is good? Theres so much ass-flavoured underground artists its insane, stop trying to use it as a label for good music.
If your favourite underground cat blew up over night because he made a likable track that people play in the clubs like crazy he is still good ya know?
but there's no such thing...that's why I corrected it
i'd say the "start" of it first happened when russel simmons sold def jam, it was kinda like he sold hip hop in a way
i was thinking about this yesterday, when i was watching that biggie movie
mainsteam was the 'underground' style that we have now
When the South got big
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