im 5 8. and what are you trying to say by saying that "i dont prefer supplements" which isnt true... as i said in my past 3 posts... i USE SUPPLEMENTS im opposed to people over relying on them. get it? i prefer not to use dumbbells/barbells.... yea i guess, i spent over 2 years using them. im not opposed to them by any means. what are you trying to say by this? and i prefer not to gain mass at this time... yes... so what? does that mean i dont know anything about gaining mass? no. again, what are you trying to say?