Those in the faith and all brothers and sisters, NEVER allow yourself to get baited by foolishness. What have you learned from Matthew 4 when Satan came to Yahshua with "IF you be the Son of Elohim then...." Yahshua didn't fall for it. Let's exercise some wisdom on these boards. Every thread seems to lead to the same exact foolishness. Leave that for the ignorant and move on. If you have to leave the boards, then you have to leave the boards. Also, in wisdom, be mindful of being baited in the back-in-forth VAIN debates. They are totally unprofitable by the third or fourth occasion. I have to just shake my head at the stupid stuff I read or else I do the same thing as written not to do. Exercise some patience and in the event that we as adults can learn to dialogue reasonably without foolishness then we have something to go off. And to all you claiming to represent the Father in spirit and in truth...if your coming with vile, abhorrent and foolish doctrines and behavior then you had better check yourself because you are very contrary to the word of the Creator. Having been blessed with a little bit of understanding (I say this loosely), you will surely give an account to how you handled this knowledge, and how your actions make the Father look to the ones in darkness. This goes for me, you and everybody. This is not something to play with. Some of you act like children (myself being there in times past) and you are representing the Most High ? What a joke, come out of this and repent.