Discussion in 'Audio Producers Discussions' started by F Major, Mar 10, 2006.
ay sol, what kind of tax form u fill out and what biz structure is your license
i'll letchu know in a few weeks when me and my grandfather popps do the taxes
whoa, great thread
i want/need to be doing music full time, just like most of you guys
i always said to myself that once i finish my degree (comp sci bsc, which means i'd always have a fallback computing job, however boring it may be), then i would be able to concentrate on my music, and work would come second. that was always the fucking plan
then, after my bsc, i got offered to do a phd to continue the work i did for my final year (basically creating audio processing software, DSP effects, synths etc). that shit isn't something you can really turn down, they would pay me (modestly, only £10k (uk pounds) a year ) to become a doctor, in something i'm pretty interested in. he didn't even want me to do a masters first, so it was quite an honour really man.
what's happened since? well, i'm a year in (in total, it's 3 years in all), the focus of the phd has changed to something i'm not interested in (distributed peer to peer music information retrieval WTF), i don't get very much money (barely enough to cover the rent), and i'm pretty unhappy, pretty depressed and disheartened. i think about quitting everyday.
musicwise, i am very confident with my beats, shit with my label is going well, but there is no money in it. i am a producer, emcee, and the mix engineer (for everything that goes through the label) for a label, but there isn't enough money in it to quit my job. i have real trouble balencing work and shit for the label, and it goes without saying that i have no time for a chick, to socialise, to chill out, etc. whenever i just sit and watch tv, or fuck around on the internet (like now), i feel guilty that i'm not doing work/mixing someones track/making a beat/writing lyrics for my EP, etc etc
also, in the UK, the hiphop scene is far behind the US. no one pays for shit. no one buys beats etc. everything is underground. it's really hard.
i'd take a job in a studio or making music for, basically anything, in a heartbeat (...obviously), but obviously the chances of getting one of those type of affairs is slim to none due to these faggot mickey mouse college courses that churn out 10,000 'studio engineers' a year.
to be honest FM, i would love to do what you do for a living, but i understand that the thrill of that wears off eventually, when it's not what you actually want to be doing. i actually would also love to do music for commercials, films, whatever, i'm not just looking at hip hop.
so, as much as i hate it, i don't really have a choice as far as i see it. my hours are really flexible right now, and some days i don't even go in. if i went and got a 9-5, i would have more trouble there, although i WOULD have more cash. if i were more organised, maybe i could make this shit work, but, i don't know. the amount of work i have to do in the next month... i don't think it's humanly possible. i just hope that i can continue to pull off the worlds biggest balancing act for the next two years, then after my phd is done, the label i am on will at least be CLOSER to being in the position where i can concentrate on it full time. plus i'll have a phd.
it's only when you get to this point that you realise that having the talent that you wished you had a few years ago, is actually only about 20% of the jigsaw puzzle.
it's also the harsh reality, that there's a lot of good beat makers around, at least where i am. obviously i'm comparing myself to the top beats i hear (by producers i know, or know of in this country), but you HAVE to compare yourself to the best, otherwise you aren't cutting it. but that is beside the point
as it is though, you KNOW you are too good at making music, and love it too much, to give up, so you'll always be doing it. even when i don't make a beat for 2 weeks, i always get back to it, and am reminded that i have to do it, whether i happen to be liking it or not
and roflz, throw some paragraph breaks in there will you sol
Im with this man - i plan to go to college and finish that out all the while with beats as a side thing, but ALWAYS advertising everywhere I go so I grind when im NOT in college, and not sitting home doing HW, like my life will have 2 things to it, music, and college - and all the shit in between will be my "side" stuff
So everyone saying, fuck college, dont be stupid, you need that to fall back on, and im not talking if your gridnin doesnt pay off, im talkin if you have an injury or something and cant make beats for a while or ever again
But i believe whole heartedly that, because i will be finishin college, no wife, no car note, no kid, and all i have to afford is rent and for me to eat and gas and then whatever for beat promoting (business cards, flyers, etc...) - cuz i feel if i really grind and put my all into this, the chance of failure really decreases
the problem i have now is not being sure how much my 2 production partners are down for that - they make like a few beats a month at best, and like arent about grinding and gettin CDs made and cards and flyers pressed up and all that shit that you NEED to get big
1) Divide time evenly between college and music
2) Dont let females interfere like they have in the past
3) Make sure the crews all on the same page
4) Once college is done in 4 years, grind my ass off
Im extremely glad to only be 17 and doing music at the caliber of which I am, with the equipment I am, and making the money that I do, because I go into this sooo young, so hell, if something pops off during those 4 years in college, i MAY drop out, but it would have to be real worth it, so i could pay my mom back for those Gs she spent on college
mmm...where to start...
i started college in university of illinois - chicago in august 2002. i dropped out around november 2003. Then u get that note home that says u've been kicked out cuz u violated probation. well, i was gonna do the music thing full time...btw, i wasn't even a producer back then, i was strictly a rapper. then i decided to get back into school and kinda just get the degree, frame it, and hand it over to my fam u know cuz they college educated. So i went to a community college, and did real well, while workin two jobs. saved up enough to buy some equipment, next thing u know, fam is leavin the chi cuz pops got a job overseas, so i had two choices, either stay in the chi, on my own, or move with the fam. I could've stayed in the Chi, pursued music and tried to afford school, but I said why not just live with the fam, grind out the last two years 3 years of college. So I moved to Dubai, now I'm in my last semester. I started off this current semester in an internship with Sony BMG. Hit it off with the management crew there and they offered me a full-time position. Then I pushed my music and they offered a distribution deal for my album, primarily for Asia and the Middle East. So now, I'm graduating, and even though I can get jobs that can pay double what I'm getting at SonyBMG, I'mma stick with them until my album gets released, or maybe even two years. For two reasons. There's huge room for advancement and I'm improving my contacts in the industry whether, its NY, Europe, Asia, Berlin, wherever. So I am following the passion, and I'm workin a job. Although I live at home, I built my own studio with whatever money i mustered up from work/music and now I'm producin some cats here.
I have one piece of advice to all people who are confused about their future. after high school, your number one priority should be to get your degree. No matter what. It doesn't matter what it is, I'm graduating with a Management degree but I'm working in Sales/Marketing/Advertising. I recommend you get a lot of side experience which you can list on a resume and it will enhance it. Keep doing music, but get your degree. If you want music to be your number one goal in life, think of a degree as a back up plan. This is coming from a former drop out, who still cares more about his music more than any 9-5 job he can get. The difference is, even though I'm graduating at 21, this world's ever changing. If you got a dope beat, there's 10 cats that got doper beats. If you have a bachelor's in management at age 21, there's kats with a bachelorS in management and marketing, and some even have masters.
Life is a loop (after high school), but its the experiences in your life that can be considered samples that make your loop dope. Don't fuck up ur future by blindly following a dream. Approach your passion with wisdom.
BTW I've noticed a lot of cats are very confident about their beat making skills, and ain't no shame in that. But even if you've been making beats since you were in ya mama's stomach, it doesn't matter how dope it is, its who you know. So if you don't network, or don't have your name in a loop you're fucked, no matter how much u advertise. It's who you know primarily, with the quality of your beats simply secondary.
I see a lotta peole sayin that ^^ its all who you know, its not about how dope u are.. well if you're dope enough, u'll MEET who u need to know.. the cats I fuck with call me more than I call them.. u gotta create such hot shit that artists fiend for it.. and its a BIG advantage to have a tight studio.. i record everyone in my house.. when i was in my apartment, i recorded everyone in the same bedroom I slept in.. with no booth.. i recorded bone crusher, truth hurts, lloyd, and a handful of other major label artists in that bedroom.. so its not even about having a studio to be honest.. u gotta let ur guard down tho and let people dig your vibe.. and I met all those people not by hounding people all day.. I let them come to me based on affiliations and word of mouth.. if ur shit aint makin peoples jaw drop its time to take it back to the drawing board until u do.. otherwise ur whole effort is futile, unless u are the ultimate hustler with great business sense and people skills lol..
mister rock...what are the qualifications for working at guitar center??? im 18 but anything you need to know or whatever?
i dont think u have to be qualified to work at GC they told me I was over qualified lol
2 legs, 2 arms and an IQ of atleast 85 will get u a position as manager of guitar center
many MANY times i had to teach them about their OWN fuckin equipment
one time i was lookin for a condenser and the dick head kept showin me dynamuic mics...
i shop @ sam ash now......they seem to actually kno wtf they sellin
i got all my shit from sam ash..
after reading this thread, I come to the conclusion that anyone "doing music on the side" will not become successful
I used to work at Sam Ash, that's how I got all my equipment for cheap. Sole. Of course ur shit has to be dope, you can't expect to be an average producer/rapper and expect to make it unless, that big person u know is related or is a close friend. The thing is, I'm both a producer and a rapper. I started off as a rapper, now, I've finally made all the beats for my first album, and I have cats asking me to guest appear as rappers, or are tryin to give me beats for the album. At the same time, the singers and other rappers that I'm working with, I'm producing for them. Ya its a pain in the ass to try to record ur own album, and mix it and master it and then work with other cats to get their album out, but that's what it's all about. I'll take pics of my studio setup and post 'em here....but consider urself really lucky man, not many people are blessed with the opportunity u have.
great reply man..just great lol
but for real tho...some people will never figure that out
excellent thread FM
thats just ignorance.. if you really think about it.. doing music on the side is the same shit as making it fulltime. because you do the same shit. only thing is we have other goals and focuses. but getting yhour beats out there the same way as someone who focuses only on music is possible. you kids just dont know what to do. this internet is your only "connect"
the only nigga that can do music full time is either a nigga in the industry
or a mafucka still livin wit moms and being dependant on others....
frankly...i'm too old to be havin roommates and strugglin to make end meet....fuck all that
so to frosty, your statement was retarded on so many levels its unreal
^ I didnt take frosty's statement on the level of quiting your day job and just doing music solely (no pun intended), however I do view it as, if you treat it as a side hobbie, something you do when you got time to do after your 9-5 then you definitely aint gonna make it. But a nigga that treats it like a second job that they are truly passionate about will find a way to put in that extra 30 or more hours weekly to work on music and really hustle what they need to in order to make it. Thats why I titled this thread "to the adults" cause even though if you 18-20 you are considered adult, most of the time you dont have any grown up responsibilities besides taking care of yourself. I got student loans, Rent, electricity, telephone, groceries, car note, insurance, credit cards,etc, etc to pay so it aint really an issue of me not having a day job, Im not moving back in with moms, and Im not really fuckin with no roomates again other than my girl.
producing is a second job. i cant even count how many times i got str8 to the studio in my pepsi clothes after working a 12 - 14 hour day then spend all night there just to go str8 back to work at 3am. i always say i got 2 jobs. aside from the making hot beats still gotta meet with people all the time, countless hours in the studio, connecting, contracting, shit is a jobfor real.
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