Discussion in 'Battle Video Archives' started by phillipdrummond, Oct 7, 2003.
I Think he Had Sex Wit Ariana Huffington...
lotta hard core democrats on this site. I'm more in the middle of things when it comes to politics. Gary coleman all the way.
I'm more interested in what you guys think on prop 54, personally I say no for a number of reasons. A lot of schools will lose money because of it, and there will be a number health issues as hospitals wont be allowed to do research on diseases that are more typical for certain ethnicities. And I'm all for the idea of a color blind society but not to the point where schools and jobs are just trying to meet a quota to fill there latino and african american spots. I think people should get into a school or should get a job based on themselves, and stuff like affirmative action just puts more emphasis on color. I can elaborate if needed. But those are my views, loosely, on prop 54. What do you guys think aboot it?
Fuck Arnold, you want some guy representing cali that has corny one liners and a list of B movies?
Get To The Chopppaaaaa
this recall was tragic. this is terrible for people of color and the working class in cali.
as far as the quote above, i couldnt disagree more. we NEED MORE emphasis on color. this world is not equal, and we live in class system based on race. you cant judge everyone on the same playing field.
if a white male scores higher on an s.a.t. than a latino male, it by no means indicates that the white male is more qualified to go to college. all it means to me is that the white male scored higher on a test that was developed by white people, for white people and is just another means to keep people of color out of higher education.
ras kass once said something to the effect of, white people broke our legs and now they are telling us to walk up the stairs.
of course there are tokens here and there that rise above their oppression, but these people do not reflect their respective communities as a whole.
i dont believe affirmative action is the best policy because i think it leads to the tokenization of people of color, rather than fostering the growth of communities as a whole, but it is much, much better than the current system we have in california, where affirmative action is illegal.
thank you marshall, for dropping knowledge once again. damn that kid is on point.
Why dont you just vote for Mary Carey? she has DD breasts. pornstar, and is willing to install cameras in the house so you can monitor if she is a good governor or not
i see on this site " how is arnold winning? who is voting for him" ever occured that his fans and people that love his movies ( even the ones that dont know shyt about politics) are just voting to support him because his movie reputation and work in show buisness? Ever since he's been going for this he's been receiving shine yesterday i saw " The fabolous life of Arnold Swarzenegger" trust this guy is loaded and to be gov of cali shows either he is serious or is just greedy for my fame and money nah mean?
I Ain't Vote...But I Knew Prop. 54 Wouldn't Get Passed...San Francisco State Has No School Spirit...But When It Comes Ta Poltics This School NEVER SHUTS THA FUCK UP!!!...We Got Like 1,400 People Registered Ta Vote Or Some Shit...It Was Like 30% Of All Colleges In Cali Or Some Shit Like That...
P Nut you're in Clown College right?
In my opinion, lobbying in favor of affirmative action and racial classification is buying into the idea that minorities are less capable than whites. Last time I checked, I (an idividual of mixed heritage) was in school learning the exact same things as my white classmates. Therefore, the SAT seems to me to be pretty fair.
Are we claiming that Caucasians are gifted with some inborn knowledge which is not available to minorities? It seems to me that many minority students are looking for a crutch. They've been told they need help for so long that they've started to believe it or are too lazy to put in extra work.
Explain to me why, many asian americans (not all, being that this is a stereotype in and of itself) are not struggling to the degree of blacks and mexicans? I believe it has a lot less to do with race then it does with work ethic. There have been studies (which I can locate if you need to see them) which show that black people of "West Indian" descent make much more money on average than the rest of their racial group.
It seems to me that income is a far greater factor in determining opportunity then race in our modern society.
The SAT's are not the only factor that determines college admission, as you must know there are so many other things that are looked at in this process. And it tests general knowledge, latino kids and white kids go to the same schools and are taught the same curriculum, there can be no "white" tests and I find the idea to be a little silly. Mathematics is universal and if you are living in america and applying to a university in america than you are gonna have to deal with english, if an immigrant comes into the country and doesnt learn the language he is crippling himself. I dont mean to come off racist so dont take it that way. If you meant maybe a latino male who was born in california and raised here then I see nothing that would prevent him from doing well on any test, or getting into any college he wants to if he worked for it. Not only latino and african americans get rejected by colleges, it happens to people of all races. It really doesnt sound like you want equality, but preferential treatment. I'm not thinking completely clearly right now cause its sorta late. But I would like to discuss this further if you care to share your views and perhaps enlighten me if you have facts that I dont. AIM:stratusthegreat, get at me
I have to agree with Marshall on this one, as well. This has become a very interesting conversation, actually.
guess what, black kids and other minorities get treated differently by teachers because of their skin color and people automatically have low expectations for them. this in turn affects the ways kids think about themselves and their capabilities, which in turn affects their performance. This is proven through psychological studies, I learned all about this last year in school. Take any social psychology class and you'll learn a lot of VERY interesting things about human nature.
you have a few points i want to address. whites are not more capable than minorities. thats not what im saying. however, whites have much more access than minorities. historically, whites have had a much longer history in higher education than people of color and therefore are coming from families who know how to gear their children towards college. in addition, many have the financial ability to take prep courses, private tutoring and other means to succeed that are not readily available to many people of color.
as for your asian comparison. cmon dude. you really believe blacks and mexicans have poor work ethic? have you ever heard of the "divide and conquer" strategies by colonists. asians have been branded the "model minority" in the united states. this is a very racist and divisive term because if they are the model, then where does that leave blacks and latinos? in addition, asians have rose to the top by way of assimilation and "invisibility". you dont see the black community shedding their culture to become white. rather, you have black culture shaping american culture through hip hop and many other things. this is not evident in the asian american community.
dont get it twisted. asians are excluded from many aspects of american society. they have a large number of students in undergraduate education, but less percentages than blacks and latinos in graduate education. they are left out of the media, and generally high ranking positions, unless they are tokenized white supremecists (you dont have to be white to be a white supremecist).
by making asians the model minority, it gives way to the excuse that if they can make it, so can others, and therefore they dont need any help. this type of rhettoric is exactly what keeps everyone down in the end. thats bullshit. we all live in the context of white supremecy and oppression affects each community in different ways.
i cant speak for all of the u.s., but in cali where im from, funding to schools are based on state property taxes. rich areas tend to have better schools because people living there usually have large houses and pay large amounts of taxes and therefore, the schools have larger budgets. now, go to the ghetto where people live in apartments and the projects and look at the schools in those areas. who, by and large lives in the ghetto? blacks and latinos. who, by and large live in rich areas? whites.
race has everything to do with the way this country is structured. class has a direct correlation to race, so you cannot seperate the two. sure there are poor whites, but they dont represent their race as a whole. the majority of blacks, latinos and asians in the united states are living below the poverty line. this is not the case with whites.
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property taxes are key. that's why in many european countries that are more socialistic (gasp!) the public school systems are better, not to mention free or extremely cheap health care for all citizens + cheap universities. Believe me, they have their way of repressing people, too...
I suggest anyone who has not been off this continent to take a trip and talk to locals in the country you go to, it's pretty enlightening. Fares to europe and other countries are very cheap right now, it's the off tourist season, and if you go to www.travelzoo.com or buy last minute tix, you can get places cheap. Traveling is one of, if not the best, educations you can get.
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I'm aware of those type of studies and I agree they are pretty accurate, and that is how human nature works, but I think you are very wrong when you say black kids and minorities get treated differently. I have moved around alot, and have been to a number of schools and in like the 5 schools I have attended this type of mentality was not present. That doesnt mean that it doesnt happen in places on occasion but as a general thing I think people are not treated differently because of the color of their skin. I'm sure there is all sorts of special treatment (positive and negative) but not solely because of someones race. Marshall is more on point with what he is saying above, although I still dont think one can make so general statements about an ethnicity. There is such a thing as rich african american families and also poor white families. bleh
and thats 3 different middle schools and 2 different high schools, not that it makes a big difference but whateva.
stratus, I don't know if you've heard of this concept before, there's the idea that comes into play here that's called "white privilege." This is basically that being white in our society you have many advantages. You can see yourself represented in all sorts of magazines, culture-wise. You don't get harassed by teh cops as much if you're white compared to other nationalities. People have different expecations for you. Trust me, I have several black friends I've talked to about this...they can tell you all sorts of fucked up shit that's happened to them because of their skin color, and it's not only blacks. In fact there's a classic social psychology study that shows even blacks penalize and are more suûûûûious of blacks than whites or blacks are of whites. I studied this and did my honors thesis last year on a closely related issue---I supported my thesis with all empirical research that was replicated many times over. Black people are treated differently, I don't care how many different schools you've been to, you're not black, so you don't experience it. Why do so many black women straighten their hair? It's conforming to an assimilated white version of beauty, as if their natural hair wasn't beautiful. I used to have to hail taxis for my black friends because indian and black cab drivers (and white cab drivers) wouldn't pull over to pick them up. Talk to some people of other minority/ethnic backgrounds, it's not as simple and wonderful as you think. And it's a fact (shown through research, NOT OPINION) that black children are treated differently in the classroom.
Not trying to be a dick, just trying to drive home a point.
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