They are fixing fight to make Manny Pacquiao opponents look good now SMH

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  1. lightskintwin

    lightskintwin Black Militant Racist

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    Yes, you're right I should stop reading reliable articles from respected writers such as Dan Rafael, Doug Fisher, Steve Kim, Kevin Iole that work at reputable websites like ESPN, RingTV, Maxboxing, and Yahoo.

    I should just trust hearsay and various random sources of boxing information such as from message-board posters such as yourself.

    MAKES TOTAL SENSE.

    I'm not saying you're wrong tho. I was just pointing out what's OFFICIALLY been done. I never said Marquez and Golden Boy have beef; I was once again mentioning they no longer have a contract to promote Marquez himself. Bob Arum was packaging this tune up fight to HBO and Showtime, and whoever he decided which network Pacquaio would be on then he would have this fight televised there. Obviously Bob hasn't decided which network he would use yet, therefore they simply chose to stream it off their website.
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  2. Mofuccas

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    mayweather fans. smfh.
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  3. lightskintwin

    lightskintwin Black Militant Racist

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    Pacquaio fans are just as bad, if not worse.
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  4. GRIMMz

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    im not saying all articles are bullshit, but you have to take into consideration the sources these analyst get their shit from. Dan Rafael is probably the most on point because hes actually an old school boxing head who does his research & the most imporant thing he has relationships with the promoters and fighters.. Iole from yahoo is biased as shit & thats the problem with getting all your information from articles like iknowall...u search for articles with content you WANT TO HEAR.

    but no hate bro...i was just clearing it up..at least u do know boxing instead of some dumbfucks in here.
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  5. GRIMMz

    GRIMMz callinshots.

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    i agree.. but its the pactards that are untolerable. filipinos get a bad rep because they are passionate about manny, but you just gotta ignore the ones that only support manny because hes filipino & dont even watch boxing. those are the retards.
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  6. IKNOWALL

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    GRIMZ stop it b. IKNOW my shit I have made nothing up unlike you saying ellerbe said mayweateher uses Xylocaine. Get you facts right then holla I am going to do some shit I assume you will come back with more lies cus thats what you do. I killed you all throughout this thread WITH FACTS. To the point you tried to bring up a fight that happen a long time ago for no reason while I am gone listen to this interview by

    Boxing Truth Radio: Leonard Ellerbe denies Mayweather Xylocaine use
    The Boxing Truth - Boxing Truth Radio: Leonard Ellerbe Denies Mayweather Xylocaine Use
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  7. lightskintwin

    lightskintwin Black Militant Racist

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    I definitely understand. That's why I read from various sources, but Dan Rafael is always on point and a lot of times gets the scoop on a lot of breaking news because of who he works for and his relationships with promoters and fighters. The other writers I'm more a less of a fan of their writing style and insight on certain topics or fights. Glad to see we have a lot of boxing fans on this board tho. BTW, no hate on my side either.
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  8. GRIMMz

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    i dont come with lies bro, i book events & cards at a pretty successful casino here in cali. ive worked with people in the business, might not be bigtime shit but ive met alot people in this field that REALLY KNOWS.

    keep relying on the internet tho. its very fair & balanced.
    there is always 2 sides to the story..and most mothafuckers will never hear the truth unless you are actually in the negotiations. so stop this "I GOT FACTS", suggestive thinking bullshit.

    and if you trust ellerbe's shady ass..then you must trust lawyers & car salesman too. what a rip-off.
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  9. Eyerate

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    are we still ignoring this?
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  10. Eyerate

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    and for the record, im not with either camp. as i stated earlier, if the spreads line up as i think they will i would likely bet floyd to win. im just waiting for the admission that floyd is being a pussy and that there is absolutely no reason to not cut off blood a week out while maintaining piss tests and taking blood immediately post fight. there is no reason for turning that down other than being afraid to take an L. you cannot, and will not, justify that to anyone who knows the first thing about PEDs.

    unless you have some reliable source that has data on one. in which case, please enlighten us.
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  11. GRIMMz

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    only a fuckin retard will find something wrong w/ that process & still think manny has a window to juice & get away with it...for fuck sakes he agreed to give blood right after the fight!!!! i dont think its too much to ask for the champ to not wanna get blood drawn so close to the fight...especially after he had a bad experience with it when he fought morales for the first time.

    its like floyd wants to call all the shots & people just want manny to say "YESSA BOSSS"....dont forget pacman is #1 in the world..so why should he lay down and take all of mayweathers demands with his own demands being ignored.

    you would be pretty fuckin pissed too & would feel something is shady as fuck..when all of a sudden youre being accused of steroids. when you never tested positive in your life.
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  12. tyronehouston

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    For the record, Floyd wants blood tests up til the day of the fight, because Pacquiao's last loss to Erik Morales in 2005 he took a blood test 2 days before the fight, and Paquiao is now superstitious about blood testing so close to the fight, because he believes it drained him energy wise.

    Floyd is trying to play psychological games with Manny to get in his head before the fight.

    Oh yeah, Floyd is scared to fight Manny, but I think this fight will actually be signed by the end of the year and the fight will happen next summer and I would have Floyd as the favorite due to his defensive skills and speed. He will pot shot Manny the whole time during the fight.
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  13. lightskintwin

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    I don't know if this answers your question, but it's a good read none the less by Victor Conte, infamous for his BALCO controversy.

    Victor Conte on Boxing, USADA, Steroids, Blood-Doping, EPO

    I’m now a part of the anti-doping movement. I’m trying to help those at WADA [The World Anti-Doping Agency,] and, USADA [The United States Anti-Doping Agency] to develop more effective anti-doping policies and procedures. And that’s what I’m doing now, and I’m very outspoken about it.

    The difference is that here is what people fail to realize, and that’s that from 1984, which is when I founded BALCO, and until the year 2000 — so, for 16 years — I did things the right way. The only thing that I did was to do comprehensive blood and urine testing of athletes, and to develop individualized nutrition programs for them.

    But it got to a point, for me — and this doesn’t make it right, because it was certainly wrong, and it was certainly a mistake — but I had gotten to a point where I thought differently. I had gotten to a point when I realized that Olympic officials and those that control major league football and baseball were enabling, harboring, and, promoting this culture of drug use in sport. And I made the bad decision to join that culture. It was a huge mistake, and I wish now that I had never done it.

    That point was in 2000, and, of course, I did that for the years 2000, 2001, 2002, and, 2003. So, for four years, I was about helping athletes to circumvent these testing policies. Once BALCO was raided, I realized how I had been reckless, and that I had put many others at risk — Victor Conte.

    FanHouse caught up with former BALCO founder, Victor Conte, to get his view on why a fighter would benefit from steroids or EPO, as well as his explanation as to how a competitor’s illicit drug use can escape detection by not only by the sport’s current drug-testing system, but, also, that employed, for the first time in boxing history, by The United States Anti-Doping Agency for the May 1 clash between Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosley.

    As a refresher, USADA tested Mayweather for both blood and urine on March 22, April 1, April 13 and then on the night directly after the fight. Mayweather reportedly provided urine only on April 3, April 6, April 21 and April 24.

    Meanwhile, Mosley provided both blood and urine on March 23, March 31, April 12 and directly after the bout on fight night. Mosley supplied urine on April 3, April 6, April 21 and April 24.

    FanHouse: Can we begin with the concern for EPO in boxing?

    Victor Conte: Well, you’re specifically asking about the significance of the phrase, ’19 hours.’ And yes, EPO will clear the system in less than a day. But that number is a mean average — the 19 hours.

    So what that means is that you only have to do an injection of EPO to maintain the intial stage. When we first started using the drug, it the initial stage was called, ‘The corrective phase.’ And that when typically you do it three times a week for two weeks.

    And you monitor your hermaticrit — the percentage of red blood cells — and then, you re-test, and if you hit the mark, then you thereafter can go to the second phase, which they call ‘The maintainence phase.’ As you know, there’s the uses of EPO for cancer patients and kidney failure patients and HIV patients.

    Can you please continue to clarify what’s going on here with this, and what you’re getting at?

    Okay, so, now, here is what typically these athletes can do. They’re sophisticated. They will use EPO, and let’s just say that their normal hermaticrit starts out within a boxer. Say he starts out with a baseline hermaticrit of 44 percent. After using EPO, for two weeks, it goes to 52 percent.

    What do those numbers mean?

    That means that you have your total whole blood volume is approximately 44 percent red bood cells and 56 percent serum, which is the fluid portion of blood. When you produce more red blood cells, then the percentage of the red blood cells compared to the total whole blood volume becomes higher.

    So you have more red blood cells and oxygen molecules which attaches to hemogloein on the red blood cells, and that’s what fuels and carries your nutrients to the rest of your tissues. You will absolutely have great recovery, and you will have far better oxygen uptake and utilization.

    It will really serve you in the later rounds. However, this is important to understand. When they test the blood, they look at the percentage.

    Can you provide me with an example of that type of examination or testing of the blood?

    As an example, with cyclists, for example, Tour De France cyclists. They test the blood, and if it comes back higher than 50 percent on the side of the red blood cells, they don’t ban them, but they suspend them for two weeks for what they call ‘Health concerns.’

    Okay? So you don’t want your baseline hermaticrit to be over 50 percent. They like to target it and keep it at 49 percent. Increasing it from 44-to-49 percent, however, will certainly increase your performance.
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    lightskintwin Black Militant Racist

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    Okay, so, can you please apply that to boxing?

    So let’s back up, hypothetically, okay, to Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather when they were signing or negotiating for their fight, or in the case of the Mayweather-Shane Mosley fight.

    If somebody were advising them, they could have used EPO throughout for two weeks, if someone were advising them on how to do it, just like the cyclists do, and they could have previously extracted some of these red blood cells and put them in the refridgerator.

    Okay? So then, five weeks out from the fight, coming in, they can’t use EPO, because they’re being randomly tested and that might be discovered even though the EPO only stays within your system for a day.

    But you can re-infuse your own red blood cells. And if you are shown how to re-infuse your red blood cells, they can’t detect that.

    But they can detect the percentage increase, correct?

    But they can detect the percentage, exactly.
    If you’re re-infusing the blood and that percentage starts to drop down, you know, as you’re preparing and training for the fight, then you can just re-infuse some of their previously withdrawn red blood cells by intravenous injection.

    They can re-infuse that and they can keep it at a steady level of 49 percent all the way up to the fight. So now, that’s all undetectable by USADA.

    Is that called blood-doping?

    That’s called blood-doping.

    What different types of EPO are there?

    Well, you know, there are a number of them. Do you mean brands or are you talking about the different generations?

    I mean the ones that would be most applicable to the situation in which it would likely be used to achieve the effects that a boxer might want to achieve?

    Well, let me explain something, because I see where you’re going with your questions here. And, let me say this. That, the reason that I don’t believe that this testing that the United States Anti-Doping Agency did for the Floyd Mayweather-Shane Mosley fight was truly random…

    And I heard over, and over, and over, that it was going to be, ‘Random, random, random.’ But that is not random when you start five weeks out from a fight, and then you do blood tests until three weeks out from a fight, testing for a couple of weeks, and then you have no blood testing for a final 19 or 18 days.

    I know that the threat is there of them blood testing at any time, and that that means that it could be random, but in this particular case, in the end, it really wasn’t. Now, you started out by asking ‘What is it that a boxer could do?’

    Yes, I mean, what desired effect could a boxer get out of this?

    Here’s something that you have to realize. Let’s take an Olympic athlete that is subject to this USADA-type of testing, and they’re preparing for a competitive season that leads to the Olympic games — whether you’re an Olympic track athlete, a swimmer, boxer, whatever.

    So that’s going to be in an August time-frame, of, let’s say, for preparation for the Beijing Olympics in 2008. The year before, October, November, December, January, during those months, they can use anabolic steroids in conjunction with an intense weight training program.

    And they can develop an explosive strength and speed base. That’s going to serve them nine months later at the Olympic games. So, in other words, if it’s before that fight, all that they had to do before the start of the testing — I believe on March 22 for a May 1 fight?

    They could have been using testosterone for three months before that date, and the benefits would carry over that five weeks until the fight.

    And, in fact, what people don’t understand, and we’ll talk specifically about anabolic steroids, now, is that you perform far better when you’re a couple of weeks off of steroids than you do when you’re on steroids.

    Why is that?

    The reason is that steroids work through a process called ‘Cell-voluminaztion.’ So it makes you pumped, and you give yourself more nutrients and fluids inside of the cells. And it helps you to grow and it helps you to become stronger, but it also makes you tight. You lack in flexibility and speed.

    If you taper off of steroids for two weeks, you can regain a normal water balance and you are faster and more powerful than ever. So, what could have happened is that for two months, let’s say, before this March 22 date they used with Mayweather and Mosley, a boxer could have used anabolic steroids.

    This is hypothetical here. And then, they go off of them. Well, then you’re still, believe me, the benefits of using two months of testosterone or anabolic steroids are still going to be there five weeks later. You are going to retain a lot of the strength and the speed from using the steroids.

    So that’s a way that you can beat the testing?

    You can totally beat the testing, and it’s not random because it starts five weeks out from the fight. Random is 24/7, 365 days a year. It’s not five weeks before a fight.

    When I hear this, ‘Random, random, random,’ well, what about the five weeks before the USADA testing began when either fighter could have been using anabolic steroids?
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  15. GRIMMz

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    another fucked up thing nobody can justify is why floyd allowed shane mosley (who tested positive for steroids before) a cut-off point & refuse to cut manny some slack, who never tested positive ever. SCARED

    nobody else does this olympic style drug test shit. floyd never asked anybody to take it until he had to fight manny & only started to ask fighters to take it coz he has to back-up the shit he started now.
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    Yeah, you can't really justify that and I wish Mayweather fans would just accept it. Although I don't think Mayweather is necessarily scared to fight Pacquaio, however he's definitely HESITANT without question, due to the risk of him possibly losing his undefeated record that he constantly uses as an argument to define his greatness.
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  17. GRIMMz

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    yeah, i guess you right. thats all would be nice anyways, just admit that their boy money floyd is not too confident right now. i seen floyd mayweather jumping up & joy cheering for pacquiao ringside before they were put up against each other. he knows what hes up against & he genuinely feels like he might lose. which is career suicide for him. coz that 0 loss is what makes him marketable & allows him to talk shit.

    makes sense on why hes taking the extra mile to get any edge or advantage...with mindgames or whatever tactics it might be. or plain and simple hes looking for signs of detoriation & age in manny..before he NUTS UP.
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  18. Eyerate

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    that interview doesnt answer shit... in fact, it works in favor of MY argument..

    conte isnt claiming shit. hes saying they COULD blood dope in small measure and not be detected by that testing anyway.. im still waiting for IKA to respond to this with some quote or substance that makes mannys agreement to one week no blood, urine any time, and blood after the fight some way for him to cheat.
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  19. Eyerate

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    so... floyds scared, manny isnt a cheater, and this thread is over?

    excellent.
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  20. IKNOWALL

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    What are you talking about? Floyd doesnt run the test its random where are you getting Shane got a cut off date from?

    Cut MANNY SOME SLACK? Listen the first time they tried to set the fight they went to arbitration. Thet arbitrator said 14 days Floyd AGREED TO 14 DAYS. Manny did not. He said right then and there you dont agree to what the arbitrator says there will be no second chances it will be all the way up to the fight no questions asked. Floyd is not changing is stance. Manny had his chance for slack he fucked that up. Now if Manny wants to make a lot of money getting his ass beat he got to take the test on Floyd's terms since the arbitrator didnt work.

    Now you and Eyerate can have fun with that. The fact still remains this guy had his shot. Shane Mosley and Ortiz are following the terms.

    If Manny wants the fight thats the terms he has to follow.

    This shit is not rocket science take the test and the fight happens Floyd beats him up

    But all this is a moot point because Bob Arum said Manny is now ready to do random testing up to the day of the fight so there should be no problems .
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