The funny thing about religions that reject evolution..

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  1. TheBigPayback

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    Your body*

    but i just had a jehovas witness come by talkin the same stuff like well all br chillin in the ground lol

    why do you lol@ soul sleep thats what ur saying essentially.


    But ok ill give it a shot.

    enoch - was no more because God took him (rapture)
    Elijiah - was caught up into the 3rd heaven , never died(raptured)
    Jesus - 1 thess 4 was taken to heaven/likewise we are taken
    Moses bones - were raptured
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  2. Coup d'état

    Coup d'état Don't believe the hype

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    lol @ moses's bones being raptured


    im doing a 2 hour lesson right now...let me think about the examples posted.


    lol @ moses bones!!!!!
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  3. TheBigPayback

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    Not quite. its that u wont accept the gift of salvation.

    if u were in a courtroom and u were there for theft. the judge says
    there has to be repayment for your theivery so u can either pay the fine or do your time
    u dont have no where near that amount of money so the way it stands ur going to prison.

    however as ur being taken of to your holding cell a man walks in and sats
    to the judge im going to pay his fine in his place because theres no way you can pay it.
    the fines too high.

    now salvation would be allowing the man to pay your fine and u being allowed to walk right out of the courtroom.
    u on the other hand by not accepting his gift are saying no i dont want my fine paid even tho it requires nothing but accepting it on your end.

    Justice is still served. the fine was payed. the wages of ur sin is justifiably annulled
    By the payment of your debt by another.
    Thats just about exactly whats going on here
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  4. TheBigPayback

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    God took them to prevent satan from getting ahold of them.
    sure its not ur presupposition of what a rapture should or may be.
    but its a rapture none the less.
    it doesnt follow along with going back to dust
    but it does follow along with what will happen with the bodies of the saints
    When the rapture of the church from the earth takes place.
    so that God can expound his wrath on those that chose to take the mark

    which is what the second period of the tribulation is..the wrath of God on the children of sin.
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  5. Coup d'état

    Coup d'état Don't believe the hype

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    in christianity, you are right...that is the truth.

    But

    In reality, in truth, the Kingdome of Heaven is coming down to be established on the earth for ever and ever. No flying around in outer space.

    Nobody is in the christian concoction of heaven, for it don't exist.

    So, you are right. The christian church does teach that. but at the same time, they don't understand scriptures either...
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  6. reggie jax

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    and this makes sense to you? why would i refuse salvation if i thought there was even a sliver of a chance your religion was true? i'm not sure what kind of sins you think i get up to, but i can assure you there's nothing i'm so attached to that i wouldn't give it up to avoid being tortured for eternity. the reason that i don't 'accept the gift' is because it's such an obvious farce that i'm not at all worried.

    also, i'd question the morality behind the gift itself. torturing people (via hellfire) for their transgressions is barbaric. saving them from that torture through a blood sacrifice with a side dish of torture (crucifixion) is equally barbaric. if you're going to forgive them without punishment, how does it help matters for christ to be tortured and killed? couldn't god just forgive us? or maybe just punish us a little more reasonably? after all he's the architect of this mess. you'd think he'd be a bit more sympathetic.

    and as you said the blood debt has already been paid... all i have to do is say thank you and be granted access to paradise. doesn't this strike you as odd, that i would turn down such an offer? it's almost as if there's more to it than that.

    christ's gift of salvation is a trojan horse with a broken ideology hiding inside it. it's not like i couldn't live as a christian and be reasonably happy. i simply prefer dealing with mystery in its raw form over dressing it up in a magic cloak.
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  7. Coup d'état

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    reggie, imma butt in and say your understanding of the living Most High is a mess...you are shutting out reality based on how you set against an errounous christian belief set which is paganism and no more truthful than the evolution you harken to.

    Would'nt it be wise to seek out the truth AND THEN close the door on your Maker ?

    No offense, and in meekness lol
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  8. M-theory

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    He's basing everything he has said off Payback's understanding, I think.
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  9. reggie jax

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    right well i'd ask how your beliefs differ but i don't want the answer to be a long text-based lecture. i'd be interested in hearing a basic narrative of how you view it though.
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  10. TheBigPayback

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    Not before the wedding feast friend :)

    but then well get to ur second coming (jude 1:14) and his saints will be with him.

    and then youll get your new jeruselem
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  11. TheBigPayback

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    Hes implying his interpretation and reading things into the text is more correct than christianity and about 2000 yrs of scrutinized exegesis of the bible :)
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  12. reggie jax

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    i didn't actually do much interpreting...
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  13. Coup d'état

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    Explain this to me according to your understanding of the wedding feast

    If I remember right, the christian church teaches that there will be the biggest dinner table the world has ever seen in the clouds with a bunch of people sitting down to eat...whilst in the air LOL
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  14. TheBigPayback

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    What did they change ur sacred name bible that much

    rev 19
    “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad 7 and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, 8 was given her to wear.”

    (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)

    9 Then the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”


    Banquets and Feasts: Manners & Customs - Bible History Links (Ancient Biblical Studies)





    1 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, 2 "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.

    4 Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

    5 But they paid no attention and went off--one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them, and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

    8 Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9 Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ 10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

    11 But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless. 13 Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

    14 "For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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    It is not uncommon to hear today from the evolutionist theory of evolution is sound science. There are a few things that evolutionists will say never. For example the simple fact that Charles Darwin himself did not regard his theory as scientific. Indeed, in a letter to the biologist Asa Gray, Darwin admits the following:

    "I am quite conscious that my speculations are well outside the bounds of true science" (quoted in NC Gillespie "Charles Darwin and the Problem of Creation", 1979, p.2)

    Furthermore, what many evolutionists tell us is certainly not the fact that many influential intellectuals (scientists, philosophers ... and even some evolutionists!) Have themselves admitted that the theory of evolution was ultimately a theory not very scientific.

    Start by quoting what says Dr. Philip S. Skell, great American chemist (Member of the "National Academy Of Sciences" that being elected is one of the highest honors for an American scientist) in a famous article in the scientific magazine "The Scientist" in August 2005 :

    "The modern form of the theory of evolution has been elevated to a status so high because they say it is the foundation of modern biology. But is this correct? The reality is that the theory of evolution, although it has some virtues, does not provide a heuristic (the science of analyzing the discovery of facts or something that is useful in the discovery of facts and theories) for convincing modern biology "
    (Phill Skell, The Scientist Vol. 19 (16): 10 (August 29, 2005).)

    Let us now think that Karl Popper, who is considered one of the most influential philosophers of the twentieth century scientists. He states in his autobiography:


    "I have come to the conclusion that the theory of evolution is not a testable scientific theory but a metaphysical research program" (Autobiography of K.Popper.Fontana Books, 1976)

    Now here is the opinion of the biologist Morris Goldman, Bionetics Corporation to the scientific. After analyzing the best evidence for the theory of evolution presented in biology book, "Biological Sciences Curriculum Study," Goldman Morris concludes his article: "a critical analysis of evolution":

    "The theory of evolution is not based on sufficient scientific evidence, as is often assumed. Rather it is a doctrine based on faith that satisfies the desires of atheists of our time "(M.Goldman," a critical analysis of evolution, p.50)

    I could also mention anthropologists, zoologists, specialists in genetics and many other scientists in various branches of science who gossip like ... But finally, include the statement of Michael Denton, a famous molecular biologist who writes in his famous book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis":

    "Considering the impact on the history and the moral and social changes in Western thought engendered by the theory of evolution, one would rather expect that this theory, that literally change the world, much more than just studying metaphysics, much more than just a myth ... "(Michael Denton," Evolution: A Theory in Crisis ", p.358)

    It is interesting to note that the molecular biologist Michael Denton reached the same conclusion that the great philosopher of science Karl Popper (see above). Indeed, both think the theory of evolution is just something metaphysical, nothing more. As a reminder, metaphysics is a branch of philosophy that studies the causes. Generally referred to as "metaphysical thing" or "metaphysical study" in the case of an abstract theory.
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  16. TERRA WRISTS

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    a clearly racist theory

    You just have to look at the cover of the book "The Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin to notice. it is clearly stated in the subtitle below the "origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection" the following sentence: "the preservation of favored races in the struggle for existence "

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    This should be enough for anyone to realize that the theory of evolution is a racist theory. By promoting the idea that some races have evolved earlier than others and that some races are closer to their ancestors than others, the theory of evolution provides a clear racist philosophy.

    Stephen Jay Gould, one of the greatest defenders of the theory of evolution does not hide it. In his first book published in 1977 entitled "Ontogeny and Phylogeny," Stephen Jay Gould says:

    "Biological arguments for racism had to be popular before 1859 (before the theory of evolution) but increased in mass after the acceptance of the theory"
    (Stephen Jay Gould, Ontogeny and Phylogeny, pp. 27 - 28)

    Many historians recognize this and have written about the obvious link between evolutionary theory and racism. Let us cite a few such as Robert N. Proctor, author and professor of History of Science at Stanford University who writes in his book: "Race Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis"

    "Before Darwin, it was hard to contradict the Judeo-Christian (and Islamic) that human beings are all equal, all being descendants of Adam & Eve. But now it is possible since Darwin suggested that some breeds have adapted differently than others (thus better than others) according to local conditions "

    Similarly to the great historian James Joll, former Professor of International History at the famous University of Oxford in England, explains the relationship between Darwinism and racism in his book "Europe since 1870". After explaining how Darwin's ideas as the notion of survival of the fittest could lead to social and moral consequences very important, James Poll says on page 102 of his book:

    "Natural selection could very well be associated with a new wave of thought developed by the French writer Joseph-Arthur Gobineau who wrote an essay on the inequality of human races in the late 19th century. Gobineau insisted that the most important factor in the development of the human race and was believed that the Aryan race was one that had survived the best. Houston Stewart Chamberlain then took this theory a little further what has fascinated Hitler who even visited on his deathbed in 1927 "

    It is not difficult to create a link between the Nazi and fascist theories the theory of evolution. Most historians confirm this as Hickman explains that the influence of evolutionary theory on Hitler:

    "Hitler believed strongly in evolution. Despite the complexities of his psychology, it is certain that the concept of struggle for existence was important for him because his book "Mein Kampf" clearly establishes a number of evolutionary ideas, particularly those that focus on the fight the existence, survival of the fittest and the extermination of the weak to produce a better society "(Hickman, R., Biocreation, Worthington, OH, p. 51-52, 1983)

    Some historians like Richard Weikart even wrote a book as demonstrating the theory of evolution is the origin of the Holocaust. In his book "From Darwin to Hitler", historian Richard Weikart who teaches in one of the best U.S. universities (Cal State Stanislaus in California) said:

    "First, Darwinism undermines moral values ​​and human life. Then the process of evolution becomes a moral imperative ... Some supporters of the leading theory of evolution think that the competition of human races and wars are part of what Darwin called "the struggle for existence". Hitler was soaked in these social Darwinist ideas, all with a virulent anti-Semitism which has resulted in: The Holocaust

    I finish by recalling that the Columbine High School shootings in 1999 (Two students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher inside Columbine High School in Colorado in the USA), considered the worst school shooting in the history of the United States was influenced by the theory of evolution. According to some sources ("New TV Special connects Darwin to Hitler," Impact, August 2006), one of the two murderers (Eric Harris) wrote on his internet blog:

    "You know what I like? Natural selection! This is the best thing that happened on earth to get rid of the weak and stupid "

    Also look at what was written on the T-Shirt Eric Harris the day of the shooting (confirmed by autopsy). Nothing but "Natural Selection" (natural selection).

    They believed themselves to be superior to others, therefore both students were intending to eliminate the weak (especially those who believed in God as reported by witnesses to the shooting and by surveillance cameras).

    Finally, remember that wonderful word of the last of the messengers sent by Allah to mankind, namely the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) who said during his farewell sermon:

    "All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab is not superior to a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not superior to an Arab and whites are not superior to blacks, as blacks are not superior to whites. No person is above another, except by piety and good deeds "(reported in Musnad Ahmad, # 22978)
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  17. Carpe Noctem

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    Oh for fuck's sake
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  18. TERRA WRISTS

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    Evolution Ownage... I got loads more to share. You can read on or go ape... pun intended.
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  19. Carpe Noctem

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    The Spencerist/Social Darwinist views of the late 19th/early 20th centuries were based on bad science and a perversion of Darwin's ideas and aren't a valid argument against evolution, you fucking moron.

    Eric Harris was a dumb high school kid whose poor understanding of natural selection was probably influenced by the fearmongering misinformation spread by religious reactionaries like you.
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  20. reggie jax

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    *list of random quotes that seemingly support my position*

    /argument won
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