Study: Homophobic men most aroused by gay male porn

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  1. onitabas

    onitabas die faggot

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    great now does every thread about anything gay related has to have fresco and sifu vomiting their diarrhea opinions.

    tbh im a little surprised at the retardation that fresco has been dropping in this thread. for some reason i thought he was an intelligent dude. now obviously i dont think he is gay but to me it is obvious he is overcompensating trying to appear as hetero as possible.
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  2. teacozy

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    It makes sense to you for the same reason I cosign Seattle and found it poorly thought out and sloppy, considering how clever I think Fresco is; personal bias and vantage. I'm not trying to jump down anyone's throat, especially how jaded and bored I am with RM and how much I like a lot fo you as personalities, IRL or on the internet, but I gotta call a spade a spade. The conflation on Fresco's part was stupid and exaggerated.

    In the interest of full disclosure, I'm from one of the world's gay meccas, I was a member of my school's GLBT, I actually know about queer and GLBT issues from both a theoretical and anecdotal perspective. Dunno. What I'm trying to say is I'm more informed about this topic which is why some of these replies always strike me and suspect or disappointing.

    Not trying to give some corny resume on why I'm more qualify to lay judgment or broach these subjects, but I am trying to point out that a lot of people are clearly uninformed and live an insular life. It reminds me of when I was on another forum and had to browbeat this racist dude who was convinced he could make a value judgment about the "nature of blacks" based on his negative experiences in his particular city.
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  3. SiFu

    SiFu Burning Down Babylon!

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    A common interest could be being picked on and being an outcast...

    "hey Im gay and everyone picks on me"

    "Hey Im socially awkward everyone picks on me"

    "Hey lets sit at the lunch table"

    "Hey lets play xbox"

    "Hey your so nice everyone else is so mean I'll try being gay with you"

    It could happen lol


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  4. teacozy

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    and surely you should be in charge of the factual references and annotations, amirite?

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  5. teacozy

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    lmao. you always say something endearing during these discussion.
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  6. SiFu

    SiFu Burning Down Babylon!

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    Campaigning for gays and going to rallys and meetings doesnt make you an 'expert' or give you any sort of 'resume' you clownshoe lmao

    You know as much as anyone else and your 'facts' are as solid as a Jesus freak saying there's gonna be a rapture lmao


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  7. SiFu

    SiFu Burning Down Babylon!

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    TBH our conversation (imo) had progressed beyond the boring 'homo's are bad' conversation into the 'sexuality in general, where are the lines and what are the reasons for those lines' type of conversation as I think thats the more important question, it includes homo, hetro, incest, pedo and bondage and anything else which are all part of the topic, which at the end of the day is just sex....


    is sex just sex and as seattle thinks it doesnt matter if blah blah blah

    or is sex something much more powerful and either enlightening or harmful even if its consentual??

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  8. Mrjdm998

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    No, just no. If somebody's past puberty, they ain't gonna change from straight to gay. Stop spouting bull shit. I can agree with nurture AND nature having an effect, but not this "I can't fuck girls, so now boners gonna give me boners" logic.
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  9. onitabas

    onitabas die faggot

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    "Nobody at school likes me and I am a social failure. I know what to do, I will choose to become gay and expose myself to perpetual nonstop bullying, potential violence, and possibly get disowned by my parents. That is how I will make friends and be happy."
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    "And now I've decided to make myself happier by exposing myself all this shit, how do I become gay? I KNOW! I'll just think REALLY FUCKING HARD about dicks until dinner. That should do it!"
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  11. teacozy

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    if you had bothered to read I never said it did. I'm on my Hollow, shit, bruv, I had rebuttals in the first line of the last paragraph. I don't parrot a "resume" as a chessmove the same way you'd be smart enough not to say "well I've hung out with a few fags before". the point was interaction and knowingness, which a lot of you lack. and apparently reading comprehension. but that's a message board cliche and we off that in 2011.

    if you prefaced all your sexually repressed gobbeldygook with "just my opinion not trying to be declarative", this wouldn't even be a thread right now. but the implications of these things is always from a point of informed authority which, admittedly, you guys might have but I've yet to see anything beyond armchair psych students and people who really need to get out more or get more diverse change in scenery.

    if you came out as an ex-gay, then maybe you'd hold some weight. but then that'd be muddying your perspective, innit?

    here's a side note, and just my overall feeling about this board and something I agree with Eyerate about. I never take most of you seriously, outside Seattle and Farooq and a few outliers, because actual debates about this sort of thing rely on facts and evidence, not just anecdotal theories and biased guesswork. These threads always go for pages without much tangible anything so it becomes who can argue about semantic points or frame an argument the best, regardless of whether what's being discussed is a valid viewpoint or opinion. I do this myself a lot, but mainly because that's just how it goes over here. Or in the BVA, at least.
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  12. seattlebattle12

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    I don't get it. If you think the scenario Sifu stated is possible, why isn't the OPPOSITE equally possible, and much more common. Yet I rarely if ever hear about gay guys happily transitioning into straight guys. I mean I've heard of guys experimenting, but they were never really gay in the first place. And I've heard of gay guys trying to be straight and living tormented, unhappy lives.
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  13. seattlebattle12

    seattlebattle12 aka lil ill & dagawd100

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    i'd also like to point out that as somone who probably would qualify as an "outcast" in HS and who was certainly friends or knew some serious outcasts/socially awkward people is that generally those people are AS homophobic if not more so than any of the jocks or "cool kids" (how homophobic is the average video gamer and battle rap fan, for instance, to generalize very broadly). so if you were gay you would be rejected equally as quickly by either groups. the only way sifu and fresco's argument makes sense is if there's like a crew of gay kids hanging out together or something lol.
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  14. teacozy

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    last point, then I gotta go not be on here anymore because weed's a-calling (btw, Graf, you still abstaining? there's a cool Patton Oswalt bit I wanna send you about the changes caused from being a parent and his reaction to his own "drug" use)

    if Fresco's right, and you cosign him, then you believe that you can choose to have a mental disorder. when has that ever happened? and no not faking symptoms, I mean actually making a decision to become mental.

    HOWEVER, I want to leave this here and it goes against what I'm arguing and reinforces Fresco and Graffik: I knew a SHITTON of people growing up who pretended to be bisexual during the 00's "fake bi" boom and I know for a fact one of them, a dude who was dating my friend, pretended to be so and made a big lame fuss about it on Livejournal and in person because of the noticeable effect it had in other people's eyes of making you seem more "interesting". Whether that really supports that argument, probably not, but I'm not totally denying these things happen in small amounts. Being bisexual was far less criticized than being gay (though if you're like me and go by the Kinsey scale you think a lot of this public identification is bullshit anyway) which made it convenient but ON THE OTHER HAND, being a bisexual man has never been easier or more well-regarded/accepted than being a straight man. Quite the opposite.

    Anyway, I love all of you. Never hard feelings, sternness and barbs are just the mark of debate. Now to watch Netflix.

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  15. SiFu

    SiFu Burning Down Babylon!

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    I love how Teacozy only respects the people who's opinions agree with his...

    You are extremely arrogant if no-one has said it before.....

    What 'facts' are there in a psychological/philosophical argument????


    Again, you are like a religious nut...a proper conversation is impossible coz if it doesnt fit your ideology its ignorant and stupid and not full of facts lmao


    you are closed minded


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  16. Mrjdm998

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    I don't mean to sound closed minded, but anybody who thinks being gay is a choice is an idiot.
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  17. SiFu

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    Man comon, people fake mental disorders all the time....they usually have a different one to the one they are faking but it DOES happen...

    Its amazing how you all cant see ANY situation where a kid would try being gay to fit in with a group of people who accepted him (for being him not coz he was gay) because he thought he belonged, only to find out he wasnt really gay and actually didnt like it and be a very confused adult....


    We aint saying its common, or happens everytime people hang with gays, just that it HAS HAPPENED!!!!


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  18. teacozy

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    I'm probably one of the most open-minded people on this site if you actually knew me. I'm toned down for internet digestion. And I'm not arrogant because I think you're usually wrong, you're usually wrong because you think I'm arrogant. If someone has a different viewpoint I try to disagree as respectfully and nuanced as possible. I'm actually kind of known for that. I only get dismissive when it's something that's patently ridiculous or backward. Or rather, backward in my opinion. I don't believe in "correct" or "incorrect" opinions, I believe there's shitty opinions and well-crafted ones. Nor are my own opinions, which few people on here actually know, set in stone.

    And I respect Seattle because he bothers to debate properly most of the time. He and I begrudgingly respect each other the same way me and IKNOWALL do. If you have a short memory then I guess you forget how mean me and Seattle and me and IKNOWALL used to be to each other on here. Although to be fair I totes <3 Seattle the last month or so. Dude's bodying shit all over.

    IDGAF about opinions, I care about arguments and facts. That was the entire point of that diatribe, Graf. lol. Half the shit I say I don't even mean. Let's not play dumb.

    Devil's advocacy is great work if you can find it.

    EDIT: I should specify what "properly debate" means. I mean in a way that would get taken seriously beyond this forum. And I specifically said "outliers" because it's not just those two but they are the main two. Even though I usually disagree with you I prefer when you post in these things because you have a rarefied vantage and seem to actually care about what you say. Don't assume you're not valued.

    No homo.
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    I agree 100%.
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  20. teacozy

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    reread Fresco's post. He actually said it was common. He listed two nurture reasons for homosexuality, one of which was the whole goth/bi-polar thing that he got kinda shat on for.
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