Discussion in 'IntroSpectrum' started by BlackSoultan Ad Infinitum, Jul 10, 2007.
i said "the type of people". if you're not "the type of people" then good for you.
identity-x: please, I BEG of you: do not engage menaz in this thread. Continue that argument in the other one. I really want someone to explain to me why this wouldn't work.
there is acutally exactly a 44 million without coverage. I wonder if any of them are illegal?
Getting layoff, doesn't mean you become a bum, it means you pull yourself up by your boot straps and find another job. I understand the concern over double-digit premiums not offering coverage. However, Some of the uninsured did opt to not enroll in coverage offered by employers. Though in a Perfect-market this would lower the insurence thus the Labourer wouldn't have to opt and his pay check would cheaply cover it. You want a unversial heath-care system, but one only has to look at the state runned Medicaid programs which face cuts and drop adult enrollees from coverage or the State-runned Walter reed hospital. You trust the government with your health? Scary!
The latter part is called a Personal argument, granted ill rich made it personal, however it's the equalvant to: You can't disprove this nagative. And what your implying is correct ill rich can't disprove it because he doesn't know anyone you know.
Actually 90% of them are fine with their service. You were bamboozled by moores Anecdotes. It's the "cost" not the "service" This has to do with ted kennedy's ACT, And just to remind you a Unversal health care system will still cost Tax payers a great deal, medical resources are rationed, and the wait times could be months like in canada.
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And your in the minority when it comes to wanting our current system to transform into a Unversial health-care system. People only want the current system improved not a complete welfare state.
What good will health-care do us when Iraq becomes an Al-qeada trainning ground and Iran is it's puppeteer while innocent iraqi civilans suffer their oppressive rule? What good will health-care do us when Nuclear bombs are dropping on America? Iran has openly stated they wish death to Israel and America. What you're suggesting is replacing the funding for our Security, Iraqis Security, so we can have a Govermentally controlled health-care system for little old us. How Isolationist and narcissistic of you. Have you realized both take our taxes? Both are important. However, It seems the taxes we pay during a TIME of war are only during a TIME of war. Where as Unverisal health-care is a constant Taxation which can't be undone. NOONE wants a unversal health-care system anyway, except the democratic party, but they only want it so they can hoodwink you into their complete Wel-fare controll. People just want our already existing system improved, This I agree with. The methood I choose is, The Perfect market and Decentralization of bureaucracies. If you would like to read on it, I can hook you up, But I have to know your serious and open-minded to the option other wise I don't see the point.
Did you miss what I posted about pharmaceutical innovation? What that 9/11 rescuer has probablly can't be helped, He'll sadly suffer with or without the inhaler. Again the decentralization of bearucracy would lower the cost of the Inhaler medicine. By the way, Aren't you an advocate for pro-abortion?
I wonder if the common cubans inhalers aren't expired in cuba, We are talking about people who still live like they're in the 1950's driving around in Grease-like auto-mobiles. We are not talking about the health care fedal castro receives There is a reason why castro has outlived 9 american presidents, yet the common cubans haven't.
Bingo, to the first part. However, The perfect-market can and will give you these choices and options. Also Cancer is not a racial issue, it's a cost issue. To provide affordable treatment to cancer patients you would first have to Decentralize the bureaucracies and kill the Ted Kennedy act. Which I'm fully behind.
Nothing is FREE in this world, Higher Taxation does play a part.
As for the latter comment, Really? Prove it then.
I knew there was something I forgot to do: block menaz. Dude, you lied again in your response. The wait time is not months in Canada, dude. It damn sure isn't in europe. You read somewhere the wait time was months. Moore took a camera TO canada, went INTO a hospital and asked them. Not to mention the gang of people in detroit and chi town that I know that make that trip soon as they sneeze too hard.
I always wondered why.
How did I lie moron? "Mrs. Goodeye recently waited 4 months to have her cataract removed by an ophthalmologist in Regina."
keep pushing that propaganda machine into over drive.
Moore manipulated interviews. Dummy. You know like fox news does.
You sound like a fox news correspondent right about now. I bet you drink evian water, I heard it's the preferred drinking water of the naive.
it's not a matter of trusting government with our healthcare. it's a matter of having them pay for our healthcare.
This is easy.
90% of Canada lives within a few miles of the American Border. If they don't like services there, they can always come here very easily. They also contain a far fewer amount of people.
European Countries contain no where near the amount of people we do.
When Michael Moore actually explains the blueprints on how to provide 400 million people with a Socialist healthcare system that isn't tantamount to waitin in a hospital for 16 hours with a broken limb for some gauze, I'd be more than happy to hear the details.
So far, the only viable option I've heard so far from the Left ont he topic is "kill as many whitey as possible." since it wouod reduce the population to a managable level of healthcare provision.
we also have a GDP that's 3 times the size of any other country, yet our government's tax revenue probably doesn't even break the top 10 or 20.
the money to create a working system is there, but much if it is going elsewhere (paying down the debt created by borrowing from others to fund the war) or isn't being collected (corporate welfare)
Except the GDP parity is greatly overshadowed by the population parity.
The GDP parity is not grossly overshaddowed by the population parity. What numbers are you looking at and what did any of this have to do with your kill white folks theory?
There are less people in canada and the UK, but there are also less hospitals and less revenue from taxes.
Here, let's make it simple:
How much would it cost to pay for universal (not socialist, we've already debunked that in the other thread. Nice try...) healthcare?
How much less is that than what we are paying for the war?
This is not an issue of "do we have enough hospitals?" because we do. No one anywhere is saying that hospitals are over crowded (except in the hood, actually. At least in S. Central.) This isn't an issue of do we have enough money coming from taxes, because we do.
It's an issue of priorities, not of ability. It's an issue of "should", not "could". I'm convinced none of you have the answer as to why this wouldn't logistically work. I've seen evidence (i.e. the movie, my pops, other authorities I've asked) as to how it can work, none of you have debunked it aside from unbacked nonsense (the only argument from the left is to kill white people? And you expect to be taken seriously by people...) or menaz's people will take advantage of the system...really? Someone's gonna go get the flu for more flu shots? Break their leg for more splints?
Please, someone gimme some numbers. Why CAN'T we afford to do this?
Johnson fell for that nonsense as well, when Communist sympathizers whined about the war cost in relation to welfare/healthcare.
So he called their bluff and did both.
And the result? OPEC walked all over us a few years later.
There's no good reason why it shouldn't work.
If it works in other places, it can work in America, it's that simple.
The key is prioritizing.
interesting food for thought, Ghet!
Anyway, I was watching Tv today and caught a commerial for sicko. People came out of the theatre laughing and saying it was the funnest movie of the summer.Sadly they weren't being s.arcastic *I shook my head in unbelievible disgust* at these mindless jokers.
There are other institutions than "necessary security" we can redisturbute funding from. For instance, we could cut K-12 teachers extra benefit packages and social-security. Our public school teachers have a failure percentage of 50%. Just because uneducated slothful teachers belong to teacher unions does not mean they deserve to make an average of 43,000 per year, nor does it mean that 20,000 of the highest paid teachers in america deserve to make around 100,000 - 200,000 per year, when all their good for is demanding more money and shopping online all day, while we have kids who can't read. We could cut their social-security since teachers retire eariler than any other professional worker on their pensions plans alone. They don't need a pension and social-security... that's two pensions too many which is wasteful and greedy. Espeically since they suck at educating. That's another way to redisturbute the tax funding toward health care.
But its not even necessary to do that, when we can utilize a perfect-market to correct the expensive costs, provide realistic info, and usher in decenteralized choice. That is what the people in america want. The only other option is Socialism which america doesn't want any more of. Plus, I think "you" would poison a reservoir if that ever happended. lol
We've thrown billions at public school teachers to provide them with unrealistic salaries, yet it doesn't improve student performance period. So Redisturbuting funding is not going to fix the health care performance either. People who think it will are economically illiterate. Which would explain why they enjoy wel-fare states so much.
But 1) We aren't talking about sympathizers, and
2) We're not talking about a world war, we're talking about crap nobody wants, even the rest of you conservatives. and
3) You alluded to what the problem was: he did both. How about an exit strategy from a war no one wants so we can get healthcare and education fixed.
I wonder if the above-65 crowd would agree with that statement. [funny]
hell, even within our country, people with universal care are more satisfied.
soultan dont u own a rental property in the caribbean???
stop the lying about being homeless
What happens with this government program is it will go bankrupt and noone is satisfied. Not only that Government steals from this trust fund and from our social-suecrity. Just admit you like government dick in your ass.
^ The remedy.
the remedy is the same one given more than once in this thread by superman, soultan and myself...
elect a government that has their priorities straight.
^were talking about real world solutions here, not intellectual masturbation
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