"I will start with you..." You will start with me? What is this, Bloodsport or some shit? Most people enjoy watching basketball games too but have never (and will never) play in the NBA. Do you know why? Because they're not good enough and should they ever be allowed to, it would be an embarrassment not only to themselves but to the NBA brand for ever letting such an abomination occur. Just because your jumpshot is water at the Jewish Community Center doesn't mean you can call yourself a ball player. Actually, I take this analogy back, as it is lending too much credit to your participants (it would assume they've actually done what they're trying to do before, which you clearly just stated they haven't). "As it started to grow into something...". What exactly has it grown into? Has some great unknown artist (rapper, producer, or otherwise) that I've yet to hear of emerged from this mudpuddle of a talent pool? Has the following and participation of the Tinychat room doubled? Tripled? Quadruplified (a quantity and action so great and so immense, it has transcended the parameters of standard dictionaries and vocabularies everywhere. In all languages)?! Is the response to these videos and threads that you post so immaculate that, instead of archiving them by page, the good folks over at vBulletin have decided to keep track of them by anthology? Is my comment about hurting the scene really that stupid? Your battles are affiliated with (and rooted in) a Tinychat room based on (wait for it)...Grindtime. Your product really isn't impressive. Don't take a defensive stance when you read that, just step back and acknowledge it as the opinion of one man (err, of several, according to this thread). It's not a shot at you personally, it's just a thought. With that thought in mind, do you really think a LuneeBen vs. Random 17 Year Old White Girl With The Flow, Cadence, And Rhythm Of A Random 17 Year Old White Girl...do you think that is a good look for Grindtime? Do you think that is a good look for battle rap in general? Actually, do you think that is a good look for anyone? As more and more GT guys shout out this website, and they will, more and more fans will come here, to RapMusic.com, to see what all the hype is about. KOTDC, at face value, is a terrible fucking look. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of reasons why this is counterproductive, not only to the scene but to people's general sense of self-importance. Look no further than this thread for a perfect example of that disillusion. I'm not hating on you for doing something. I'm not hating on you at all, really. I'm simply telling you how it looks to someone who doesn't log on Tinychat every night but rather stumbles upon these atrocities and wonders, "Why?". Perhaps in the context that you created this "league" in (amongst a room of 90 some odd people who cared), it looks better. In that regard, handclaps and hi-hats to you Laxin, you really did good shit! But outside of that context, in just about every other context, it looks like shit. Straightalk Express status. What's not live about it? The entire atmosphere. Have you ever been to a show? A battle event? A live performance? I'm sorry, but a bunch of randoms rapping real-time is hardly live. Part of the live show is the experience, the atmosphere, etc. The internet has limitations. Damn you, Tinychat! Splash.