So is Keith Olbermann a conspiracy theorist, too?

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  1. KingMenace

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    According to one of this forum's leading Bush apologists and warmongers, I was belittled and called a "conspiracy theorist" for saying that, under the Military Commissions Act, US citizens can be deemed "enemy combatants" and sent out of the country for an indefinite period to be tortured without trial.

    Apparently Keith Olbermann is a conspiracy theorist, too, because he has devoted a good amount of time to covering this and has come to the same conclusion as myself and others.

    The belief among some -- mostly neoconservatives and Bush apologists -- is that the Military Commissions Act does not apply to American citizens. We know this is what they said about the Patriot Act, but the Patriot Act has since been used against numerous American citizens, including journalist Greg Palast.

    Not long after the Military Commissions Act was signed into legislation, Keith Olbermann had constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley on his show, who himself said that there is no provision outlined within the bill that states that US citizens are exempt from the intent of the legislation.

    OLBERMANN: "I want to start by asking you about a specific part of this act that lists one of the definitions of an unlawful enemy combatant as, quote, 'a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a combatant status review tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the president or the secretary of defense.'

    "Does that not basically mean that if Mr. Bush or Mr. Rumsfeld say so, anybody in this country, citizen or not, innocent or not, can end up being an unlawful enemy combatant?"

    JONATHAN TURLEY: "It certainly does. In fact, later on, it says that if you even give material support to an organization that the president deems connected to one of these groups, you too can be an enemy combatant. And the fact that he appoints this tribunal is meaningless. You know, standing behind him at the signing ceremony was his attorney general, who signed a memo that said that you could torture people, that you could do harm to them to the point of organ failure or death. So if he appoints someone like that to be attorney general, you can imagine who he's going be putting on this board."

    OLBERMANN: "Does this mean that under this law, ultimately the only thing keeping you, I, or the viewer out of Gitmo is the sanity and honesty of the president of the United States?"

    TURLEY: "It does. And it's a huge sea change for our democracy. The framers created a system where we did not have to rely on the good graces or good mood of the president. In fact, Madison said that he created a system essentially to be run by devils, where they could not do harm, because we didn't rely on their good motivations. Now we must. And people have no idea how significant this is. What, really, a time of shame this is for the American system. What the Congress did and what the president signed today essentially revokes over 200 years of American principles and values.
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