so if the afterlife is an eternal ordeal, would that not make us ...

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  1. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    ... god-like?

    if we enter heaven? considering we will not die.

    we will be the masters of our own time, our own actions, do as we please.

    would this not make us the closest to a god, or do we just become like the angels?

    they say you get to meet all the dead people once you die, so "don't feel too bad".

    but what if i want to see the living people, while i'm dead? what then?

    it's said you rest in the grave, until the day of judgement comes forth.

    at which stage each soul will know what it has reaped.

    that's a long time in the grave, in all its silence.

    :numaan:
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  2. TheBigPayback

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    Thus made in his image...
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  3. breathlesss

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    Oh, you two's lack of gnosis but want for it saddens me in a hopeful way...
    Nu, I believe you can do it this time, keep askng these questions, and do not stop continuing to try to answer them yourself
    You already know, you just gotta remember, and every time you do it gets that much easier for next time
    The logic of the truth is definitely falling into place, you just have to clear out enough space to let it settle in, your soul has been cluttered by far too much learning...
    It is now time for you to start putting it ALL together and start knowing
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  4. TheBigPayback

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    I give it 5-10 years that u can actually continue to believe that the 'logic' of ur stance is any more than hope either tbh. Seems were opposite spectrum between exactly the same amount of odds coincidentally (pun intended). Unfortunately your realization is going to be a lot more rude than it would for me if it werent case. And urs also have eternal implications, which ours doesnt.
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  5. TheBigPayback

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    Whats sad to me is when a atheist gets sick they call a doctor, if they find out its not a cold its a tumor, u can call in a specialist, when the specialist is optionless u call a surgeon, if the surgery doesnt work uve ran out of your earthly options that u put so much faith in. Ur God stops there. He has failed you. And when ur at that point you realize what man really is without God. And thats hoopless.
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    My spirit has been doing the hula for eons, you are the hoopless one
    BP, I believe in nearly everything you do except I don't put the magic of god in a singular man, I put it in all..
    If I am wrong no one has a reason to be felt wronged, unless "the one" is a hopelessly selfish egotistic megalomaniac, which I don't think jesus wasby any means
    If you are wrong, you have done a lifelong injustice to all but one aingle human in the course of universal creature existence by denying them the state of godliness
    Point made, its up to you to take it
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  7. reggie jax

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    whats sad to me is that people like you get to benefit from naturalistic science while deluding yourself into believing it's magic that really saved you.
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    The fact that you have a very strong placebo for your problems, is not relevant, or for that matter, a good thing. I suppose if it allows you to be out of touch with reality enough that you think a situation entirely out of your control is somehow "controllable". I suppose, yea, that is a better mind state to be in than us, who acknowledge that "hope" (not hoop, you tard) DOES in fact stop at the surgeon. The fact that you superfluously extend your hope to something that's not real is simply human beings, being pathetic and predictable.
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  9. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    want for what? the after life?

    i wish it was a guaranteed concept, but nobody came back to tell.

    and please don't put me in the same boat as payback, ever in your life.

    well put.

    but to implement what i've learnt, knowing i haven't got long?

    would that not be a cop-out? only returning to god because i know my fate?

    :numaan:
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  10. TheBigPayback

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    While u and all other athiests conveniently shrug off all the immaterial things they live life by like karma, coincidence, evolution, aliens, ..

    Really the only difference between religious people and unreligious is guys like u just cast off themselves anything that ties them to it in debate, then goes out wnd lives upon premesis as much as anyone else.
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  11. TheBigPayback

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    Why holistic things all come the nature God provided. Put in use by the intelligence he gave man. Why must i shun science, all good ideas come from God. And its ever inching closer to proving God exists. Why should I shun medicine, were called to heal the sick we just have medicine when medicine fails to do the trick.
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  12. TheBigPayback

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    Hey nu were u given any promises in the quran of power that you have fot following muhhamad?

    Just general question.
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  13. reggie jax

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    case in point.

    you shouldn't shun medicine, you should respect it for what it is: something earned by man through hard work and hard science.

    if you want to thank god for giving us the brains to come up with it then feel free to do so. you can also thank him for creating the diseases humans had to work to cure in the first place.
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    I didn't mean that you and pb were any more alike than in the sense of wanting to know and holding to what youv each individually learned. Rhe thing that gets me, and what I mean about figuring it out with logic, is that its all about getting to a higher spiritual awareness through the teachings of respective saviors, but in doing so get hung up on the history and details of what has been recorded by flawed human/physical interpretations. Now, I'm not saying that I have it all figured out, but it makes no sense to me that the prophet of the knowledge is the main focus, instead of the knowledge itself
    Do one of the main tenets I try to hold to, that I've found virtually all religions speak of at the main basis, but don't necessarily scripturally pronounced is
    Do unto others *as you would have them* do unto you.
    Think about this in the absolute of all aspects...
    If the proclaimer was doing divine/godly thing to/for other people (healing, divination, dying for sins, teaching of "the way", forgiving unconditionally, dying for their sins [yea, we would be dying for their sins as well... what little they may or may have not been]) then wouldn't they be grateful for you to at least attempt do the same?

    The human, physical, yet divinely enhanced medium to the absolute "god" should be held in no higher regard than what it is... a medium, a shower of the way, to continue the focus on the medium is to limit your perspective and burden the medium with continuing to show you the way over and over again....

    I've made this comparison of adages ( not no stupid fucking 4 wheels on a skatboard and my honda bullshit) and will make it again, hipefully more will read it and acknowledge this time...

    If you give a man a fish, he eats for a day, if you teach him to fish, he eats for life...
    Do you still need the teacher to bait the hook for you?

    Do you still need your prophet to commune with god for you... or will you go teach more how to commune with "god"?
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  15. reggie jax

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    the best evidence for this being a less than impressive boast is that life expectancy has shot up drastically in the last hundred years or so thanks directly to medical science and a better understanding of pathogenic bacteria, which is enhanced in part thanks to a better understanding of biological evolution. people have been praying for thousands of years. i think its self evident which approach works better.

    but you tell me. why should you shun science?
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    Well we used to live 500+ years so i wouldnt be surprised if we eventially figure out some real life extending stuff. I never implied that i should. Nightmare implied i should or do.
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  17. reggie jax

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    lol. no comment on the 500 years bit.

    with that last question i was just side jabbing you cause you do reject good science when you don't like what it has to say. and even the science that you do accept, you often try to marginalize.
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  18. reggie jax

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    i just noticed this, going back to see where nightmare implied u should shun science, which i didn't find.

    but i did find you stating that apparently all atheists believe in karma. that's news to me.

    the other 3 things u mentioned aren't really comparable with each other, let alone karma.

    coincidence is a statistical fact of life. i'm not sure what you find to be unbelievable about it.

    evolution is a biological fact of life. precisely how it happens is a theory. but the fact that it happens is clearly reflected in the fossil record and directly in DNA.

    aliens are statistically probable, but that's about it.
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    I'll humor you here slightly.... and myself more-so
    By "we" I'm assuming you're referring to the what... two, three people that supposedly lived that long( noah, methysalah, and a couple others)? Why would a few inconsistencies in the length of life according to scriptural interpretation become a fact with lost means that we're still able to achieve today?
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    Not true i reject only things that havent been proven but are presented as such.
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