So I read the Epic of Gilgamesh last night

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  1. AliceHouse

    AliceHouse The House Always Wins

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    Do you have any idea what 'post hoc ergo propter hoc' actually means?

    Besides, that list doesn't mean diddly. In case you can't read, all the important details were not the same.

    It is not sufficient evidence to say one came from another. As they very well could have come from the same source. There is also enough variation between the two stories, that it can very much be considered a coincidence.
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  2. Ass Napkin Ed

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    It is not sufficient evidence to say one came from another


    actually we can say one is from the other
    if one is regarded as the 1st Sacred Text 'EVER FOUND ON EARTH'

    and then later a 'New Religion/Faith' comes along and remixes a 'More Ancient' story which is more than 90% similar?
    I dont think your considering how old the Sumerian Tablets are

    We know for a Fact they are not from the same source
    Canaanite Phoenicia as well as 'Phoenician' alphabet/writing was not invented yet. Genesis in the bible - is from the Canaanites aka Hebrew writers

    we have clear evidence - they plagiarized Concepts of God, Man's Relationship to God. and many Mythological Stories with new character names like 'Noah'

    more schooling is available for you
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  3. AliceHouse

    AliceHouse The House Always Wins

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    Your only "evidence" is...

    ...One is very old and came first, and the other one kind of sort of maybe just a tad bit resembles it.

    While in other news, all the important details are different, the writing style and sequence are not the same, the GODs are totally different, and in reality, floods happen.

    I don't even think you know what "schooling" means.
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  4. Ass Napkin Ed

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    1 - have you seen the comparisons? fair to say more than a 'tad bit' dear

    2 - actually the God or Counsel of Gods mentioned in Genesis is 'Stolen' from the Sumerian Tablets - EL, Father Bull God of the Heavens - the hidden one, the all knowing, all powerful, lightening + thunder - stolen from the father God of Ancient Sumer

    3 - We must always rely on more older, more ancient, sources in any study because they are simply telling a more - authentic story

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  5. AliceHouse

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    1. Sorry, but it's not sufficient.

    2. Prove it. Don't prove it by saying one came before the other and they resemble each other.

    Show me evidence that supports your claim.

    Because otherwise, you're talking out your ass.

    3. No. There is no "authentic" when working with fiction. We don't rely on fiction.

    We can study it from an anthropological perspective, sure. We can appreciate it from an artistic perspect, absolutely. But myth is myth is myth.
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  7. AliceHouse

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    Old does not equal precursor.

    You need something else. Like evidence that the Hebrews and the Sumerians interacted. Or that they share strong cultural bonds in other aspects. Or that they shared knowledge with each other.

    None of THESE things you bring to the table. You only continue with your post hoc bullshit.

    You keep saying, "It's old! Look how old it is!"

    And I keep saying, "So what?"

    Then you're like, "But it's just so old?"

    And I'm like, "And...?

    And you're like, "And it's really, really old!"
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  8. AliceHouse

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    Actually, you know what? I'm pretty sure you have not read the Epic of Gilgamesh.

    Because if you had, you'd see how vastly different they are.

    Yes, I saw your above "proof." Apparently, you did not see the overwhelming discrepencies. I believe that's called... confirmation bias? Look it up.
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  9. Ass Napkin Ed

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    Actually i have read the EOG - remember i taught you of this - which is why you made this thread - now lets examine facts and comparisons

    1- We can clearly see examples of Hebrew Scholars plagiarizing
    Old Testament writing didn't start until about 700 BC.
    the Epic of Gilgamesh was written around 2750-2500 B.C

    2 - Lets look at Gilgamesh finding a 'plant' that would grant him and all of humanity 'everlasting life' what happens? it gets stolen by a Serpent/Snake

    also - Lets look at Abraham in Genesis he resided in UR -
    before it was Ur it was Ancient Sumer

    Sumerian references to the Mar.tu ("tent dwellers" – considered to be Amorite) country West of the Euphrates date from even earlier than Sargon, at least to the reign of the Sumerian king, Enshakushanna of Uruk.

    The archives of Ebla show reference to a number of Biblical sites, including Hazor, Jerusalem, and as a number of people have claimed, to Sodom and Gomorrah mentioned in Genesis as well - this was first the land of the Sumerians before the arrival of Canaanites.

    source - (Canaan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)


    come back when your a lil more learned on this topic
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    Observation isn't evidence.

    You are also ignoring the discrepencies.
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  11. Ass Napkin Ed

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    not observation
    my Facts and Sources > your unwillingness to accept them

    more schooling is needed for you on this subject
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    At what point in history did the author of Genesis acquire knowledge of the Gilgamesh flood myth?
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    well there is no 'legitimate' author of the Toarh
    Moses is describing his own funeral in the Book of Deuteronomy
    so he clearly couldn't have been the author of the 1st Five Books
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    Old Testament writing didn't start until about 700 BC
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    That doesn't answer the question. Remember, you're in school. The idea is to learn. The answer is out there... now show me... at what point did the author of Genesis (who I never said was Moses) could have ever possibly learned the Epic of Gilgamesh?
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  16. Ass Napkin Ed

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    I dont do your copy/paste and pass it off as my own
    i show facts and where the sources come from

    to answer your question - There is no 'Author' (in the singular sense) of Genesis

    try to pay attention to what i saying for a moment
    instead of trying to look intellectual
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    Avoiding the question does not answer the question.

    At what point was whoever wrote Genesis (be it one or many) gain knowledge of the Gilgamesh flood story?

    Like I said, the answer is out there. This isn't a trick question. If you can answer it, I have two more.
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  18. Ass Napkin Ed

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    reading my responses would help answer your questions
    suggest you read what i said of Abraham's whereabouts above

    no need to re copy and paste

    this will be essential in furthering your schooling
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  19. AliceHouse

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    Well, that derailed my series of questions. I guess I'll have to ask different ones.

    If there is no connection between whomever wrote Genesis and the story of Gilgamesh, then how can you say one is connected to the other?
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  20. Ass Napkin Ed

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    your saying 'they are connected'

    i am saying Genesis stole from the Ancient Sumerian Tablets
    as well as the Great Mesopotamian Mythologies - including the Flood
    that predate Genesis by thousands of years
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