S.W. ~ Round 3 ~ 2. Jook -vs- 3. Sacrifice

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  1. DiC GeTs GuLLy

    DiC GeTs GuLLy Hello

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    RSTL RULES AND REGULATIONS

    RULES AND REGULATIONS - THERE'S SOME NEW SHIT SO CLICK AND READ


    The Standard League Rules will still be Enforced



    • Check-in (Posting in your match to show that you are aware the match exists) is encouraged but not required.
    • Verses must incorporate at least one of the provided topics and must be at least 16 lines and must not exceed 64 lines.
    • Anyone who does not post at least 4 rap lines, incorporating at least one of the provided topics, is considered a no-show.
    • During check-in, you can ask your opponent to agree to a line limit (Minimum 16) and if your opponent agrees, Moderators will hold both participants to that limit.
    • Posting between 4-15 lines is considered a “show” but will not result in a match. If you post 4-15 lines, and your opponent posts between 16-64, you will lose the match but you will remain in the league. If you post 4-15 lines, and your opponent does not show, you will “Win by no-show”.

    Voting:
    • If you do not show you can’t vote in any matches. .
    • No bias votes! If you have a personal investment in wanting someone to lose, whether because that member voted against you once, or you just don’t like that person, whatever the reason, do not vote in the match. If have a personal investment in wanting someone to win, whether because they’re crew member, or because you want to face that person in the next week’s brackets, whatever the reason, do not vote in the match.
    • ”Bias” must be confirmed by a Moderator.
    • 3-ways are inevitable. In order to provide a tie-breaker in a 3-way, you are now required to indicate in what order the contestants finished (1st, 2nd, 3rd).
      anyone who does not show or vote is suspended one week and must sign-in again to be inserted the following week.



    Topics: http://board.rapmusic.com/showthread.php?t=1033017



    From now on if you don't vote in the tournament and win your match, you will be deducted a vote from your next match for every vote didn't give the previous week. If you show late and your partner allows the extension as long as it’s less than a day late, it can count, but you will be deducted 2 votes for showing late regardless.

    These rules will be put in effect starting now and won’t be modified again. I’m not bending or breaking anymore rules for anybody.



    Must READ: You must pick one of each topic to give your opponent some protection from choices and also so there isn't several verses written on the same topic that everyone has picked to be used.

    So pick one of the Title and Phrases, one of the Quotes and one of the Pics for your opponent.

    Thursday is the deadline for choosing topics or your opponent will get to pick their own topic. Topical choices must be posted in match threads by deadline.


    All other rules that are applied in the league will also be enforced for regulating the tournament. If you're not familiar with the rules of the RSTL, please read them.


    The only difference will be that in this tournament, your opponent will get to pick your topics for you. Topics must be picked and posted within the match thread within 1 day. If it's not posted, the opponent of the person that didn't pick a topic in time will get to choose his/her own topic. You must choose one of each kind of topic for some variety.


    So... topics will be up Wednesday 12am PST every week and topical choices are due Thursday 12am PST and verses are due Monday 12am PST, 3am EST, 8am Greenwich with votes due Wednesday 12 am PST, 3am EST, 8am Greenwich

    Also, there will be no recycling allowed. Nothing you've ever posted anywhere online will be allowed. The mods will be checking verses for authenticity with online search engines.

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  2. SacriFICE

    SacriFICE TRUspeak

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    Your topics:

    Natural Sin

    Love is or it ain't. Thin love ain't love at all.
    Toni Morrison

    Pic: The cartoon one with the car.

    *lol, you lazy bastard*

    good luck homie... let's make it a.........doozie?
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  3. $1.50

    $1.50 New Member

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    Hmm lets see,

    Your topics:

    Love is or it ain't. Thin love aint love at all.

    Natural Sin

    Pic: The cartoon one with the car.

    Good luck duke.
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  4. SacriFICE

    SacriFICE TRUspeak

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    Love is or it ain't. Thin love ain't love at all.
    Toni Morrison

    A smaller region and awkward sequence,
    combined with the longest climb only to fall, off the deep end.
    Lonely and all the time, showing the wrong vehemence.
    Talking, being so often beaten by a controlling cause,
    and depletion of coping with all your awful pretense.
    It's taken an entire year, my desire to be behind your fears,
    has turned into cries and tears, once designed for cheer.
    Now a burning reminder of why I'm still alive but sheer.
    Any opportunity to provide a clear escape, I deny and peer,
    through a window of truly what I dream to know.
    She's a soul, of so much more freedom, so
    much more blood to bleed and soak,
    into my need to hold. Love for what?
    But even though, I seem to remain confused.
    When she plays her tune,
    a song of devastating muse, the claws of decimation choose, myself,
    dissolved before I'm strained and bruised.
    The only way to decay the truth, is if I lay with you.
    And we've made it through, as the greyest moon
    displays the route we take, removed from the basics,
    attuned to the fate of truth, creations brew,
    beneath the deepest reaches of the landscape we grew.
    And we've seen the shine, of the recent times,
    a frequent sign of weakened lives, meek and trite.
    Patiently, waiting for the demon's knife.
    Knowing the same release is haven to the seeds of life.
    And we've known the threshold that's left,
    a soul unkempt, when you look at the rose, content
    to grow and get shown then left in a hole, dispensed.
    So intense, immense the way you unfold the stress.
    Like a flesh disease that enters me, erodes my chest.
    All the stress you could have kept from me controls my death.
    But I can't take myself away from your growing strength.

    It's hard to explain, harder to play in the market of days.
    Time so defined, impossible to be bartered away.
    It's simple though, as much as the list will grow.
    You're like a glimpse of snow, falling through our mistletoe,
    and like the pistol's smoke, after impact is decided.
    When we crash were reminded, why we exactly collided.
    It seems like a disaster but after some time its,
    like a track we'd rewind, played to hear the passive defiance.
    You capture the silence in your masterful eyes,
    but still snap into violence, impact like the axe of a giant.
    I can't just deny it... it's like perfection withers to nothing,
    or a simple flame, that usually flickers erupting.
    Some tempted pearls, strung together with the world's dreams.
    Another letter and a girl's scream, a sunken treasure.
    Nothings better than your lips moving, quick soothing,
    brisk, freezing mine to yours with a shooting mist.
    A time when I tried to score, instead I died in a violent war,
    crushed like the dinosaurs. Applied force with computer chips.
    Living life for the structural eye-sores and commuter trips.
    Fewer sips of that liquid omen, instant frozen
    and broken wrists from that simple motion.
    A written, spoken indifferent chosen list of insisted notions,
    that rarely happen, such is a man's luck.
    Excalibur brand trust before he can stand up,
    then thrown back to the solid ground in some handcuffs.
    Surrounding words in a tantrum of contraband lust.
    A simple metaphorical image, instead of horrible rhythm.
    We walk together, a connected system of an oracle's vision.
    Some say it's too heavy to capture in your cloth netting.
    A slightly off centered setting, the wrong bedding.
    I can't believe we talked letting the raw get a grip.
    Practically assault, my fault?

    Yes it is.

    Natural Sin
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  5. J o o k

    J o o k Guest

    Nigga.


    See these niggas lack wit, treat them like trashed shit
    Back bloodied, littered with fresh wounds from the cracked whip
    But the fact is, nigga is used from old whites, to black kids
    From the Aryan nation, on down to rap ad lib's
    Fucking niggas, welfare county aid, no longer the hearts of slaves
    Lazy... Blacks use to be what Mexicans are today
    But no longer are, because some feel they are owed something
    Waiting for the never coming 40 acres, they own nothing.


    Not really^. Let me clear up all misconceptions
    starting with white people saying nigga, that lead to fist connections
    Slavery prompted the term, often used with a defining verb
    "stupid nigga" "nice nigga" , etc but this is where the mind concurred,
    That "nigga" was negative, demeaning, with hate in purpose
    So when my grandpa hears it, of course it makes him nervous
    Because his grandpa was a slave, but freedom he won it
    This countries only 400 years old, we only been free for a hundred
    Three quarters the existence.


    So it stemmed from white people using it and the slave ships
    In conclusion... GOT LIFE it is not okay for you to say IT.
    Which brings me to the next bare perception
    Of young black youths whom use the word at their discretion
    Black hoodies, and slang, the generation of feared trends
    Where nigga is utilized as a term of endearment
    "My nigga" often used by both posers and thugs
    Where someone being your nigga could mean they're closer than blood
    Some would die for their nigga, straight ride for their nigga
    Never snitch, and give their left eye for their nigga
    But this is rare, and we must go on, so I can bury the hype
    Of what I refer to as the infamous nigga stereotype


    The record deals, chains, sex, whores and crowds
    Buying the nice cars before a house
    The poor and loud,
    The open a 40oz and pour it out
    The get money by any means, clothes and best silks
    The ghetto children, 2 years old still on breast milk
    The welfare hood shit, food stamps and poverty
    The SOON as you get a little money go on a shopping spree
    Because fuck tomorrow, shit we might not make it
    The get money or find a quick way to fuckin' take it
    The drug money, coke and hidden compartments
    The parking your 42,000$ lexus in front of your moms apartment
    Where she can only afford 200$ and change for the collection plate
    Where she would be homeless if it wasn't for section eight.


    ^This is the attitude of blacks that think they're not suppose to make it
    These are the type of niggas I don't associate with
    Yes I am black, successful and love my people
    But fuck the slave mentality, thugs an' egos
    So to sum it up, I'm all my closest friends nigga till the day I die
    But I work fuckin' hard to not be just another nigga at the same time


    natural sin
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  6. TaLi RodrigueZ

    TaLi RodrigueZ Washed Up Rapper...

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    Well, this is both good and sucky at the same time. I’d rather read a good battle than a half-assed battle any day of the week, but the downside is actually having to vote on it. Then, to make things worse, it’s doubly awkward because I have reasons to want to see both Sacrifice and Jook win lol. I’ve read both of these over again numerous times and I guess I’ve come to the best conclusion that I’m going to get.

    Vote = Jook

    SacriFICE, I told you a bit of this earlier but I can’t really say that this was one of your easier to follow pieces. For the most part, the writing was wonderful but I really had a hard time figuring out where it was supposed to be taking me. Being that I read a lot of your stuff, there is always a tendency for me to want to make more out of a piece than I ought to. Your rhymes and flow were as good as ever. I can’t ever really express how impressive it is, but I will say that some of your wording was a bit awkward which is odd since you’re usually dead on point with that. I’m nitpicking but that is what I have to do to make these sorts of decisions. Generally speaking, this was a really good verse. We spoke about this earlier and you explained what the story was all about. When I looked back at it, I could see that and enjoy it all the more for it. I’m just not completely sure I would have ever known exactly without the explanation. You’re right though, it was so personal that a lot of the deeper meaning won’t really connect with folks.

    Jook, this was pretty straightforward. As soon as I saw you say that you already knew what you were writing about, and then what it was, I was skeptical. I’ve seen and heard all sorts of explanations regarding the use of that word and quite a few times in various songs and written pieces. I was thinking, what in the world are you going to possibly bring to this that will interest me in the least, and at the end of the day, your saving grace is that you flipped back and forth between the general stuff that I’ve heard a million times and the more personal stuff that obviously I wouldn’t know about since I’ve never spoken to you on that level. Your flow was pretty nice and your rhymes were solid enough to do the job.

    SacfiFICE obviously dominated the rhyming aspect of this battle. I think one could argue that each person’s flow was fine for the style the chose. Both pieces were obviously meaningful to the people writing them. At the end of the day, Jook’s clarity and evident purpose sort of made the decision for me. I liked SacriFICE’s a lot, particularly the second half, but it was never really anything that I could really attach myself to because I wasn’t sure what it was I was trying to latch on to until it was too late. Props to both of you for an interesting battle.
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  7. DiC GeTs GuLLy

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    Sacrifice, being metaphorical is one thing, you usually do that very well because you also introduce some clarity within your scheme to tie the metaphors together with a solid ideal, this verse was really lacking that solid ideal. I can assume this is about maturing with your lover, expanding as a couple and shit like that.... but the majority is very unclear and even some of the clear things are worded very vaguely with nothing solid to relate it to and understand/grasp the content. I"m sure you know what this means, but you didn't really do a good job of explaining that. Flow was nicely developed, but outside of that, this wasn't really done well. It reads like a bunch of random thoughts that are only strung together by a relationship... but there's not much details of the actual relationship, just vague inferences of it. I guess not facing anyone til now has been a downfall because this appears kind of unmotivated as well.

    jOOK, nice point made... conceptually, it's not fresh or new by any means, but it's relevant and well narrated. This reads like a motivational speech given by Reegie Jackson.. all the way up til the end because Reggie wouldn't say he's a nigga at all. The content was most all, very easy to follow and understand, which was probably the most important element of this. I know you kept using the word nigga on purpose to make the word stand out with the concept of it's useage.... I liked the way the transition took place into the second half and of course I like the fact that you checked Lifeless.... pretty cool...

    Vote Jook
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  8. ConstantFlows

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    Plain and simple
    I wanna vote for sacrifice but I don't know what the fuck it is you're (sac) talking about dude
    And I've said this in the league before so I'm gonna say it a little more blatanly....
    I'm glad u can flow ur ass off on ur terms (IE metaphors and sword-related rhymes) now show me u can do it on terms everyone can understand because it hurts to come out voting for jook in this


    No offense jook it just wasn't much to like, I mean its old, I've done it and said half those things, ur flip wasn't something new to me and what I expected from u, the rhymes were crisp but for something so....respectable.....I expected dominational rhymes. I wish I had more to say, just not that enticing
    Maybe its cuz I'm white lol

    But then again I've written one of these

    Vote jook
    Only for his clarity
    Can't vote for what seems like convuluted rhymes
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  9. J o o k

    J o o k Guest

    Shut the fuck up. It's not old and has never been done before. I made sure it hasn't. You haven't done shit, and dont compare yourself to me. You show me where in the history of the RSTL a black person has wrote about the word nigga and how it affects him personally. I put my heart and soul to this, fuck that poetic fag shit you write. An ounce of realness here.

    Show me where you wrote about being a nigga in america pent up.

    Otherwise stfu.


    http://board.rapmusic.com/showthread.php?t=1033019
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  10. ConstantFlows

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    No I didn't write it from the perspective of being a black dude

    I wrote about the half of this that is racism
    And lol@u not flipping out when tali said that a lot of this has been done b4


    But since u wanna call me a poetry fag

    EXPLAIN WHY YOUR VERSE SOUNDS A LOT, I MEAN A LOT. LIKE THIS DEF POETRY JAM?
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pff61X0E3zc
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  11. J o o k

    J o o k Guest

    because thats black ice, his shit inspires me to be who i am ninja boy, and the only thing thats even remotely the same is me using the car lexus you dumb fuck i have this link in my away message everyday and you know thats where you got it from
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  12. TaLi RodrigueZ

    TaLi RodrigueZ Washed Up Rapper...

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    Both of you need to go somewhere else with this lol
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  13. DiC GeTs GuLLy

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    1, no freeposting in matches....

    2, Jook, you didn't post your links, but I see that you did vote.... you have to post your links next time

    sensitive subject, I'm staying out of it....
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