Ron Paul 20-NEVER

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  1. reznick

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    Several Bills Being Formed to Make Online Poker Legal In the USA

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    The timing is funny.



    The shut those other sites down because they were shady as fuck. Bankers could scheme their ways out of letting their clients not pay a dime of their deposits. And there were software programs you could use for those sites to uneven the playing field, and the owners didn't give a shit.


    It will come back soon though, is what people are saying. And in a much better constructed system, it will work just fine.
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  2. Revo Minded

    Revo Minded Your wife dreams of me

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    That's what he doesnt understand, he thinks everyone views technology as he does and that's his biggest flaw that he cant reason between his feelings and the truth. Sure technology has helped alot of people, but if that technology doesnt make a profit then you can forget about it being in the market.
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  3. Eyerate

    Eyerate The Definition of Real..

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    no.. your point is, in fact, WRONG. ISPs and the government own the internet.. just like the chinese government owns the internet over there.

    do you even know about the whole yahoo/alibaba and google scandals in china?

    god you're fucking stupid. even when you prove your own point wrong you continue to say the same ignorant shit.
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  4. reznick

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    Your right. The my argument as it specifically relates to this internet debate is completely wrong.


    It would be like saying "Nobody owns the phone system technology".


    ICANN pretty much runs the domains and IP's on the net.
    ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers

    This part of my overall argument fails. The rest still stands.

    With public wifi/public libraries and such, accessibility is still relatively easy.
    If you want, you could use it every day for free in these places. It it's not exactly like ISPs and ICANN don't do anything. Reading more into it, they are one of the reasons the internet is as smooth as it is, and are arguably the foundation of the web.

    But yea, I was wrong about it being totally free.
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  5. Diggles

    Diggles Fred Durst's Life Coach

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    I don't even pay attention to what reznick and Eyerate are talking about any more. Their side comments to each other are way more interesting and hilarious.
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  7. MindTaker

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    >implying that what you pay in state and local sales tax don't go to those government funded institutions who then pay internet service providers for access to the internet. Or that if it's a business providing "free wifi" that the money to pay for that access from an ISP isn't coming from the customers themselves.

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  8. reznick

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    You have to pay taxes to do basically everything. That is why we live in a structured world with systems.


    "If you want, you could use it every day for free in these places"

    Still holds true.
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  9. reznick

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    Even Clinton couldn't do that!





    lol. Imagine Obama getting salty over that :funny:



    Obama >
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  10. MindTaker

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    No it doesn't because if you're PAYING taxes to do it then you're PAYING for it. It's really a simple concept.

    Let's say you and a bunch of other people go to the store and buy a bunch of ingredients for soup. Then you use those ingredients to make enough soup so that you could eat it every day if you wanted to. By your logic you'd be eating that soup for free but the fact is that you still paid for the ingredients. It's not free soup. You pitched in and paid for your part of it that you're eating.
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  11. reznick

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    ho ho ho smartass points again



    I understand the tax system doodie.


    But AS A TAXPAYER, you can use public Wifi (For no additional charge outside of paid taxes required to live in the country for all the smartasses out there) for free.



    You are more focused on the political correctness of my argument, rather than the argument itself.


    This means I am getting to you.


    Why am I getting to you?


    :HAM:
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  12. SiFu

    SiFu Burning Down Babylon!

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    In order for the 'internet' to exist there has to be a way for computers/machines to be connected...

    My computer connecting to a server with information on it is all the 'internet' is...there is no such thing as an 'internet'...there are wires and wireless ways of connecting to other computers and all those forms of connection are collectively known as the 'internet'...


    so of course no-one owns an abstract thing like the 'internet'....but what people do own are the methods of connection, the computers/servers with the information on it...


    The Government regulates and is trying to get more regulation of what information I can obtain and what I can put out there, if I brake the rules the ISP will boot me....Im not completely free and unhindered....


    Someone is paying for a connection....if I go sit outside starbucks and steal their wifi, its just that, Im stealing it lol because its for customers who bought coffee...its now illegal to steal your neighbors wifi....


    There will never be a case where wifi is free for everyone in all places....for the same reason cell phones arent free for everyone in all places....the same reason NO technology is free for everyone in all places....that concept doesnt exist.....

    PEACE
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  13. MindTaker

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    /sigh

    Dude, are you really trying to play the you mad card right now? Is that how you operate in a debate? Someone points out a fallacy in your argument and you say "Dah you mad son!" and expect people to think that's an intelligent counter argument? No, I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed is all. I'm disappointed not only that you don't understand your own socialist agenda but also that you can't even defend it properly without resorting to straw man tactics. I wasn't focusing on the "political correctness" of your argument. Which doesn't make any sense by the by as I was in no way arguing that your position was racially, socially, religiously or in any other way offensive besides in its stupidity. I was focusing on the correctness, or lack there of, in your statements because your position that those things are free, are in fact, not free. No extra charge and free are not the same thing.
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    I pretty much agree with all of that. The internet is just a bunch of protocols set to the same settings. And the ISPs is what keeps it systematic and organized. And without it, somebody could much easier interfere with my freedom. Like I said, it would in a sence be like saying the phone technology is free.

    As for stealing from other businesses, your not stealing when you go to Starbucks. You may have to buy a coffee. But you can also go to a public library where you can use the internet as much as you want. Plus, with the internet now, you could essentially talk to people without having to pay a phone bill. you could use skype, or free call service apps where you pay a one time fee of a few bucks. Basically, if you want to be cost efficient, you can toss out your phone bill, and use your internet service you are paying for to supply you voice calls and internet.
    So we went from having to pay a bill to use the phone, to having to pay a cheaper bill, to have access to the world of internet and calling service.


    You can say you do not have the freedom to shoot someone in the head in the middle of traffic, but you are stealing the other mans freedom by doing so. And without ISPs and the ICANN your internet experience would not be nearly as organized or smooth.


    " NO technology is free for everyone in all places....that concept doesnt exist....."


    I never said it would be free. But i'm sure there are some really old functioning phones that you can buy for a few cents. You can say it is essentially free

    In 2008, you could buy a brand new phone for $1.00
    Newsmy launches cheapest phone in the world for $0.99- believe it! | Gizmodiva.com


    And thats unused.



    So now, while you probably still have to dish over a few cents for a mobile phone, it is not free, unless you are given one, like many people are. But old technologies become more and more worthless. Internet is a world rather than a commodity. Which is why it doesn't devalue like old hardware and software.
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    That's still not free though. If I gave you an iPod touch right now and you used it to access the internet somebody is still paying for it even if you aren't. All those mobile phones they handed out in Africa? Somebody, most likely the consumers that paid for their phones and their service there are the ones paying for the infrastructure that the people who didn't pay are using.
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  16. reznick

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    Exactly, you are trying to point of fallacies beyond that go beyond common sense in my argument. Which means you are not being active in the discussion about that subject, but rather are analyzing my sentences to make sure I fit the standards suitable for a journalist.


    I'm just a message board poster, not a reporter. When I say something like public library access is free, I hope it goes without mentioning that we all understand that the library, like all other public places, are paid for by taxes.
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    You could buy a snicker bar, or 75 hours of calling time on a recyclable phone.
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    So, you make false statements and then hope that other people are smart enough to know that they're false but don't bother to point it out to you? Sounds like normal liberal logic to me. Especially with the constant use of of straw man tactics and poor attempts at using ad hominem arguments (See bolded area.) as well as the random asides. Please take a speech class and hang out with your local high schools debate team and then come back. Until then I'll keep the thread warm for you by posting kittens or something.

    Sincerely,
    Your friend MindTaker

    P.S. Nobody is saying you have to be a "journalist" or write like one. The point here is that you shouldn't say things that aren't explicitly untrue within the context of your argument.
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  19. reznick

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    No, it's when were talking about something that cost a fraction of a cent for an individual, and calling it free, but then having that smart alec nerd being like

    "technically it's not!"


    This is called casual argument, not a college debate.




    Your like those people in the youtube comments who correct people's typos and grammar mistakes.

    :Funny:
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  20. MindTaker

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    Except that when you use that as a basis for part of your argument it's not being a smart ass to point out the fallacy in the statement. It's not just what you say, it's how you say it and the context of the statement in the argument as a whole.
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