REBUTTLE to COUPS "I AM" take

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  1. TheBigPayback

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    …Jesus is not A GOD!

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    JESUS IS GOD!

    JESUS IS GOD.

    For anyone to understand this, in a biblical context you have to start at the begining with the prophecies in the old testiment like Isaiah 53

    but for this we are going to begin at the revelation of GOD by Moses at the burning bush.

    we are focusing on why Jesus ALWAYS refers to himself as I AM. because it was a prophecy of the understanding of who he IS to the jews.

    MOSES AND THE BURNING BUSH
    (Exodus 3:13-15)

    Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you’: this is my name for ever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations

    No one has ever seen God keep this in mind.

    Jn.5:37: “And the Father himself, who sent me, has borne witness of me. You have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.‘Jesus gives the source of his commission, which is from the Father personally. It is the Fathers voice and form they have not seen, yet Christ has.

    When did Moses write of him?
    Deut.18:15-19: “The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, “according to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God,nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’ “And the LORD said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. ‘I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. ‘And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.”

    Jesus CLEARLY claims to be the prophet Moses spoke of that should listen to. Notice that it saysthey did not want to hear the voice of the Lord anymore or see his glory in Horeb. Then God says he will put his words in a future prophets mouth if they do not listen to his words, God will require it of him.”

    This very thing Jesus said of himself in:
    Jn.8:24 “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am (He), you will die in your sins

    See why his is so important yet….

    ...Now lets look at some the statements Jesus Made, of himself being I AM in scriptures

    John 6:51:”I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever;”

    John 8:23: And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I AM from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

    John 8:12: Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I AM the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

    John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

    John 10:9: “I AM the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.”

    John 10:11: “I AM the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.

    John 10:36: “do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

    John 11:25: Jesus said to her, “I AM the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

    John 14:6: Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

    John 15:1: “I AM the true vine,and My Father is the vinedresser.

    John 19:2: Therefore the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but, ‘He said, “I am the King of the Jews.”‘”

    Acts 7:32: Stephen speaking of Moses’ encounter at the burning bush “saying, ‘I am the God of your fathers– the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ And Moses trembled and dared not look.”

    Acts 9:5: And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And the Lord said, “I am Jesus,whom you are persecuting.”


    The I Am In the Old Testament was whatever man needed. He became, he was his all in all. Jesus in the New Testament uses all these examples to show who He is.

    The most important of all the statements is in John 8:24 after he tells them I am not of this world. “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am [He], you will die in your sins.” ( he is not in the original).

    He is communicating to them he is the same I AM that Moses met at the burning bush which commissioned his life into a flesh for our sake. HE WAS THE VOICE OF THE BURNING BUSH.
    now here is telling us JESUS was the one that brought the israelites out of the land of EGYPT

    Jude 1:5 So I want to remind you, though you already know these things, that Jesus[a] first rescued the nation of Israel from Egypt, but later he destroyed those who did not remain faithful.

    Footnotes:
    [a]Jude 1:5 As in the best manuscripts; various other manuscripts read [the] Lord, or God, or Christ; one reads God Christ.

    There is no way around this. Jesus is not a man void of divinity, Jeus is not A GOD among GOD. JESUS IS GOD.
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  2. TheBigPayback

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    extra biblical references of who HE [Christ] IS

    Titus 2:13 states clearly: “looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.” (Paul makes plain here that Jesus is God our Savior.)

    2 Peter 1:1 Peter declares about Jesus Christ that He is our “God and Savior.”

    Jesus claims to be the Light of the world, thus the Creator, God Himself (John 9:5).

    revelations 7:15
    Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

    Isa 9:6, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon hisshoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Heb. 1:2-3, “the brightness of his glory and the express image of his person.”

    john 18:4
    ‘Who is it that you want?’ ‘Jesus of Nazareth,’ they replied. ‘I AM,’ Jesus said

    1timothy 3:16
    “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory”

    john 16:18
    I came forth from the Father, and have come to the world; again I leave the world, and go on unto the Father.’
    John 8:24. “I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I AM, you will indeed die in your sins.”

    john 18:5
    They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 6As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

    Rom. 1:23, states that Jesus was, “the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made unto corruptible man.

    Philippians 2:6-11
    6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God

    john 10 27-30
    My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than alld; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

    jews want to stone him for it and explain why
    john 10:33
    33“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man,claim to be God.”
    Acts 14:12
    Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

    Jesus claims to have life in Himself, immortal life (John 5:26). Paul tells us that only God possesses immortality (1 Tim 6:16)

    “I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!”-Revelation 1:17-18

    john 5:18
    For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God

    luke 5:20
    When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.”

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    But the Pharisees and teachers of religious law said to themselves, “Who does he think he is? That’s blasphemy! Only God can forgive sins!

    phillipian 2:9-11
    9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

    The LORD says to my lord:[a]“Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”(here he is saying he will sit upon the throne of Israel’s God and share God’s very glory)

    Worship belongs only to GOD
    Matt 4:10″Begone, Satan!” Jesus replied; “for it is written, ‘To the Lord thy God thou shalt do homage, and to Him alone shalt thou render worship

    yet jesus allows worship of him
    Matthew 28:9
    And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

    John 9:38 Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him

    Mark 5:6 When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.

    Matthew 15:25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

    Matthew 2:11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with
    Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.


    hopefully youll have that lightbulb moment after this. Because I believe the point is now rendered in stone.

    and just to give another perspective on the same issue please take a few minutes and listen to Chris White

    Thank You.
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  3. Coup d'état

    Coup d'état Don't believe the hype

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    objective: SHRED AND DESTROY SCRIPTURES OF CONTEXT AND UNDERSTANDING

    mission complete?: YES

    Dude did not even read my thread before posting and throwing around out of context verses around like Lego's.

    NO later than six minutes after I post an edifying lesson on John 8:58 ( a long two post read) paypack in complete disrespect of the Most High and his Word cherry-picks all the above verses out like they are garbage and pukes them over us in an effort to support a LIE straight out of HELL.

    With no understanding of scriptures or what the verses are saying in context, payback really don't care about truth or learning. It is evident. He did not even read my thread nor does he care to learn....

    He loves deception and the Babylon mystery. EMBRACE HIS MYSTERY!!! payback don't play with scriptures....that's dangerous bro! I still <3 ya though!!!!

    For a more accurate way to look at what the MessiYAH meant when he said "I AM" in John 8:58 see my thread:

    http://board.rapmusic.com/sanctuary/1322620-john-8-58-iam.html
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  4. TheBigPayback

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    all you did is add I AM [CHRIST] rather than making the conext in in relation to WHY he was even saying this in the first place. I didnt take anything out of context.

    objective:i explained quite simply. i think even basic enough for a child to understand.
    mission complete?: YES
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  5. Coup d'état

    Coup d'état Don't believe the hype

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    Payback, prove to the forum that you can in fact read and comprehend. I challenge you to summarize what my thread is about free of bias and pagan beliefs. (found here: http://board.rapmusic.com/sanctuary/1322620-john-8-58-iam.html)

    All your anger and disdain showed at me is actually your disdain and rejection of the Truth, which in turn is rejection of the MOST HIGH and His Son. You know not the true Elohim and Son, rather you know and have idols in your heart as taught to you by vain religion. We know that idolatry is a grave transgressoin...think about that. Do you really want to be so stubborn just to gain approval from men or do you really fear and love the Truth and do you really love the Father ? Do you want approval from the Creator or approval from the flesh by the flesh..ie Mankind ?

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    MOSES AND THE BURNING BUSH
    (Exodus 3:13-15)

    Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you’: this is my name for ever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations

    First, I can prove in scriptures and by using scriptures that the Hebrew children of Ysrael knew the Most High's name even before this event. Abraham knew his name....Keep in mind that before the other parties (just who and why is for another lesson) took out the sacred names and replaced them with pagan titles scriptures read not "LORD thy GOD" but always it said and rendered in truth, "YAHUWAH thy ELOHIM". Right there is His name

    So, When YAHUWAH said to Moses to tell the Children of Ysrael who are in bondage in Egypt that "I am who I am" sends you....He was basically being smart with Moses, meaning that it don't matter who you think I am or who you think I am not. I am the eternal creator, the Elohim of your fore fathers and yes, I am going to bring you out of bondage in haste...Go tell them I AM is going to do this and do what I say. He told them to sacrifice a lamb and smear the blood of it on the door posts and all who obeyed would be passed over (passover) and all who did not trust him would have their first borns killed.

    The children in Ysrael were in bondage 400 years in Egypt and they knew Elohim was the EL of their fathers and they remembered the covenant YAH made with them. YAH also heard their crys and felt for them. Even after he brought them out in haste, he had to teach them to trust in His name in the wilderness for 40 years. He had to establish them away from the paganism and idolatry that was and still is practiced in the other nations. (especially in USA, IE modern day Babylon according to Scriptures and the book of REVELATION)

    Him saying " I AM who I AM" has nothing to do with John 8:58 when Yahshuah said I AM. To completely different contexts and scenarios. Yahusah was referring to and was implying that even before Abraham existed and even before the first covenant was made with him, Yahshuah was already ordained to be the MessiYAH, he was already on the scene and in that sense he was (I AM) greater than him, Abraham, of whom the first covenant was made! He was not saying he was Elohim!

    Just because the two words "I AM" are used by both, it in no wise means that the same meaning or connection is there. That is ridiculous bro! That is an insult to scriptures to do that. And no matter how many "esteemed" scholars think other wise, that don't mean anything because they are just men like me and you. They do not have secret knowledge either and are in fact pushing pagan beliefs whether they know it or not! Scriptures are not interpreted privately but rather by line upon line, precept upon precept and in context of the entire Gospel and word!
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  6. TheBigPayback

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    im not angry. Im just providing resource.
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  7. Coup d'état

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    All those verses you cherry-picked are not even close to saying Yahshuah is Elohim. It is clear, that by you interpreting them that way you really are showing that you do not in fact understand who the MessiYAH is and what the times were like for him during his ministry nor do you quite realize what you are doing...that is OK though.

    I will be chipping away at each verse. I hope you will listen and gain understanding. I am not here to do anything but show you the Truth.

    I'm glad you are not angry with me. That is good because I am not angry with you...I'm just blown away at your understandings. It's hard to admit such. Believe me. I had to dig deep myself and I admitted I was deceived. You know I was "Saved" (lol that is such a twisted concept with the lens of religion on) of April of last year. In a short span of time I have learned what most modern day traditional Christian don't learn in an entire life time. Only YAHUWAH can pull people and give them that type of understanding. Think not that this is difficult you still got time to learn.

    And I ain't trying to be condescending or to belittle you at all!!!! WOE UNTO me if I do that.
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  8. TheBigPayback

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    do what ud like. do it one thread tho, no need to continue to flood the forum.
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  9. Coup d'état

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    question: Matthew 22:35-37

    v35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

    v36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law ?

    v37 Yahshuah said unto him, Thou shalt love YAHUWAH thy Elohim with all they heart, and with all they soul, and with all thy mind

    Where did Yahshuah get this from ?
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    Deuteronomy 10:12 And now, O Israel, what does the LORD your God ask of you but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul

    If there were no other reason for it, this is sufficient, that there was no more evidence that they did believe in God than that they believed in Jesus. All the ancient versions except the Latin read it thus. The Saviour told them that their consolation was to be found at this time in confidence in God and in him; and he intimated what he had so often told them and the Jews, that there was an indissoluble union between him and the Father. This union he takes occasion to explain to them more fully, John 14:7-12.

    john 14:7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
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    Coup.. Your cult started in 1930.. It is a 7th day adventist off-shoot... Get real.
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    COUP FOR BEING SUCH A YOUNG BELIEVER..AND when i say young, i mean per the ammount of time you've been born again, you are in the most dangerous season of your spiritual walk.. the enemy found your strength and turned it into your weakness... however ywhw is the true name, feel free to speak it if you must.. but jesus is god.. if you deny that then you sow strife into his kingdom...
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    Titus 2:11-15 NKJV

    For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.

    Coup?
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  14. Coup d'état

    Coup d'état Don't believe the hype

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    Yes
    Deuteronomy 6:5, Deuteronomy 10:12 and even in Leviticus.

    Deut 6:5
    And thou shalt love YAHUWAH thy Elohim with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might


    We know that Yahshuah was not making anything up nor was he saying the Law does not still matter. Nearly everything quoted out his mouth was law from the "OT" and form Prophets:

    Matthew 22:35-37

    v35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

    v36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law ?

    v37 Yahshuah said unto him, Thou shalt love YAHUWAH thy Elohim with all they heart, and with all they soul, and with all thy mind

    v38 This the first and great commandment.

    v39 And the second is like unto it. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

    v40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


    These two commandments (love Yahuwah with all thine heart, mind and soul) and love thy neighbor hang all the law and the prophets.

    If you love YAHUAH with all your heart, it will show in your heart. Love here is not an emotional thing. It's obeying him and his commandments fully. If your heart is with him you will show that and your heart will reflect back this in your walk by you keeping all the law.

    If your mind is on YAHUWAH you will read his Word to understand his commandments. All your mind will be focused on his instructions and you will use your mind to get to know him and his Word/commandments. The same with your soul, your entire being.

    You cannot try to keep the laws, you HAVE TO KEEP the commandments. They are freedom and not a burden. You cannot judge them against the rudiments and philosophies and traditions of the world. They are to be followed and understood. Yahshuah is telling and teaching us here to do so.

    When you love with all your mind, soul and heeart it will reflect in your walk by keeping the law... that is love, it is not an emotion.

    Saying you love him in an emotional sense and disobeying the freedom that is found in his commandments at the same time you do not love the Father. Love is shown in your obidence to the Father and in your walk. Just what the MessiYAH came to do. To do not his will, but the will of the Father.
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  15. TheBigPayback

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    Wellyou break em daily by not loving your neighbor.

    And for someone that has so muchemnity for the grace we've received..id say that's a bit hypocritical no?
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  16. Coup d'état

    Coup d'état Don't believe the hype

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    what is grace ? hint: it's not a wild card to break the will of the Father, nor does it mean that the freedom commandments of the Father are abolished and that we can run around rebellious.

    grace is mercy from the judgments of sin (sin=transgression of the Law, of the Father's commandments. HalleluYAH
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  17. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    coup.. you should become a mormon next.. DO IT!
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  18. Coup d'état

    Coup d'état Don't believe the hype

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    no, obeying the scriptures and the Father and following the MessiYAH is rewarding enough. You ?
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    whats the evidence of christ in your life, other than fooling yourself into believing youre right. Whats the evidence of the holy spirit in your life..im dying to know
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    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    you've perverted the scripture and attempted to blaspheme the lord.. b/c you feel that worldly knowledge is more important then spiritual wisdom. you can run and tell that!!!
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