i think that the world has always been a very big place and that there has always been many different agents acting in it. as they are exposed to many different things, they become gripped by many different forces. gripped tightly by forces that are super to them, they are prompted by what grips them to max out to many different things reaching out to these things that represent an ability to sate whatever is gripping them, they adjourn and go out to try to create more and more of it this creates a never ending drama in humanity as these many different forces and the many different agents that represent them grow out and exert pressures against each other as they struggle to exist who ultimately gets to say who should exist and who shouldnt i think that this kind of statement is interesting and i think that the push to try to suppress human suffering and achieve some kind of transhuman state w technology is something that might turn into a very strong or stylish ideology in humanity there are probably previous versions of that too f.e religion is a kind of trans-humanism what might an entity like the vatican and its longer reaching arm catholicism react like to technology that can prolong human life expectancy indefinitely? can a person enter heaven if they never have to suffer death? how might an entity like islam or christianity react to it? can the pull and allure of religions co-exist w technology like that? if they couldnt, what ways might they try to react to technology like that? would they be right to try to supress it? yeah i agree and i think the hardest part in suppressing the progress of technology is that you would have to try to suppress it globally. this wasnt always true. if resources to produce goods are inherently scarce i think that this creates two effects 1. a larger, more dominance exerting agent is always created that is going to try to create a sustained un-threatened access to it and that 2. this creates lesser agents that try to supplant that agent by trying to remove it by force or by using innovative alternative strategy. this is a link to a 2011 BRICS forum talk that i forwarded to the panelist from india who i think had the most important commentary. the whole talk is interesting tho Africa 2011 - Building South-South Relations - YouTube he makes a very strong statement about technology and a very strong statement about the rigidity of the systems of power that emerged post ww2 and sets the tone for what kinds of pressures and struggles we might start to increasingly see as we look out to the future and what kinds of new technology and new systems it might bring in that is we may not see new systems and new technology here in the west and it may have to emerge globally by lesser, more adaptive agents. but whoever creates technology that can do things like prolong human life expectancy indefinitely or create a more ephemeralized means of producing goods must think of ways to fit that into current society effectively and newer systems of government and economy would probably have to be created to accommodate these huge new changes. this is going to create tremendous new pressures on society globally as different agents push and pull against each other as they struggle to create what things they think should exist in society and reality if the technology that we've been talking about in this thread were suddenly realized today, what kind of society do you see us as having 50 years from now?