RBL CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNEY - Mrjdm Vs Dethstryque

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  1. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    I respect both writer's and want to help with the votes.. so i'm going to vote on this. i have matches in the RSTL i need to be voting on so aftah i do that i will come back and vote on 2 more matches in the RBL to make this legitimate.

    Mrjd: your improving, your build up here was good but your execution wasn't as sharp as ur execution b/c some of the rhymes just didn't hit as hard as i'd expect. ur opening bar was almost my favorite. I want to take back what i said b/c mrjdm didn't slip on his execution thru out just in some minor area's. like here:

    "You probably own underwear with "real lyricist" woven into the back of it
    And I bet you wear a varsity jacket which says I heart multi-syllabics on the fabric "

    ^ that didn't match up perfectly and against a writer like deth the flows better then a woman's period 24/7 it hurts. you had some quotables. but your easy typical rhyme approach doesn't stand up against deth

    Deth: GRIPES: punctuality, few spelling errors..aside from the fact u spell wrong on purpose, seemed rushed, but the multi and rhyme manipulation was holy shit strong. some lines were LOL..I enjoy how you make ur rhyme scheme dictate ur verse, b/c it makes each bar you say like a world premiere. I think writer's in the RBL need to try this technique but also keep the punchlines set up and formula intact and see how it works. i liked how deth killed jdm with the "im american im better then you" tactic. deth did his research against some one who doesn't have any personal info on here other then his location age and sex.. so it's sorta impossible to get specific.

    vote - deth

    computers finna die.
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  2. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    Actually Extreme Venom I just saw this comment of yours and did a little research...Jayalias is a Bay Area rapper with his own music out and knows exactly what he's talking about. I saw his post. He copy and pasted (incorrectly) The Voting Guideline and followed it quite well by calling out who won each category. I have never met this brutha face to face but the name is somewhat familiar,and the fact that I'm in CA and my brother lives in the Bay Area and he's a hiphop head prolly explains it. My brother prolly has heard of this guy or his friends have.

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    I'm disappointed that bruthas would think that I--who've never EVER done anything shady EVER in a rap battle--would even THINK of cheating or anything like that. Ex Ven? You can contact Jayalias directly using these links if there is any doubt if my words are true in any way.

    It's my understanding that if you use the voting guideline, and are a member of this community,your votes count. If there was something foul about the vote? The voting guideline provides the means to challenge it. From what I recall,Jayalias didn't do anything that violated The Voting Guideline and his votes were directly in accordance with the definition of each category. Maybe he'd been lurking on this site for awhile but only just now posted.? Anybody know for sure? Is there something wrong with what he's done? He's followed every rule that I'm aware of...


    so the vote should be 5-5 as there is no rule violation that I'm aware of (maybe you mods can tell me if I'm wrong?) but as it stands...it's 5-4 MRJDM is up.
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  3. Mrjdm998

    Mrjdm998 New Member

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    Kronik banned people not in the RBL from voting, he has 1 post and anybody who says they saw taht and didn't say multi is a liar tbh.
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  4. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    Not quite sure what this means my English brother Mrjdm...I seem to recall that the voting guidelines indicated that anyone on RM was able to vote,which to my knowledge includes the OTBVA guys. Maybe Kronik would have accepted their votes had they signed in first but it's also very possible that Kronik may have overlooked informing the OTBVA guys of that caveat and their perhaps rude comments in the DDOC vs IAMBENT battle aggravated the situation more. However,that same stipulation shouldn't apply to the Jayalias vote because (apparently) he lurked here for awhile AND he without a doubt followed the voting guidelines...which means that he followed the guidelines as they were clearly specified in the voting areas at the time he posted. The exception for signing in to the RBL for the OTBVA guys was placed by Kronik in a somewhat obscure thread,but the RM wide voting mandate is specifically stipulated in maaany RM RBL posts especially when it first launched (unless it was very recently modified). I recall seeing the invitation for all of RM to vote for quite some time,so it's very likely that JayAlias saw it too and was under exactly the same impression that I,the OTBVA guys,and many RBL heads were too until Kronik made an exception in a (relatively) obscure thread that many people missed.

    So basically Jayalias is the only voter to follow the voting guideline AND the most extant rules of the RBL as initially posted by Ex Ven and Riot prior to Riot's exit and subsequent to Riot's exit and Ex Ven basically running things.

    "and anybody who says they saw taht and didn't say multi is a liar". What exactly does that mean? I'm lost by that. I provided evidence that Jayalias is not only NOT me but he has in general superior lyrical and music making experience than most of the people who vote in the RBL. he followed the Voting Guidelines and he followed the most frequently posted rules for the RBL. Nowhere was there a count requirement and since The Voting Guideline has built within it mechanism to ensure fair voting AND the ability to challenge,modify,uphold and reverse votes all done by the completely nuetral and objective method of literal and honest definition of the categories being voted on and enforcement by objective mods? Post count is entirely irrelevant. The objectivity and sensibility of each vote is borne out by The Voting Guideline,so we can clearly tell the character of the voter off top.
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  5. Mrjdm998

    Mrjdm998 New Member

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    So the guy decided to sign up just to vote on our battle? And you instantly decided to google his name and pull up links? Come on.
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  6. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    Incorrect. As I stated,I wouldn't've assigned special significance to his vote had he not been singled out and his vote annulled because he had only one post. There was no post requirement for votes and even if there were? The Voting
    Guideline (which he used) by its very nature ensures fairness. It cannot be corrupted.it has too many checks and balances in its very structure. Furthermore,page 1 of this very thread and EVERY battle thread in the RBL specifically states that the voting is open to everyone in the RM community. He had every reason to suppose that his vote would be accepted if he followed the Voting Guideline. So what we're looking at is this:

    1) 3 votes for you that can be challenged directly from a significant degree to some degree directly by the specifics of the nuetral Voting Guideline on a category by category basis. The challenge literally comes from the definition of the guidelines and the definition of the words. Specifically...some voters were of the opinion that there were no personals that I aimed at you. There are literally dozens of examples in battles proving that dissin one's country of origin is a personal.We all know this. There are votes for you challenging the content of my bars,saying that my bars make no sense and that they lack punches. The literal content of my bars 100% refutes that contention without a shadow of a doubt. If you read my bars and look up there definition? Every bar is dead on...and many of them are packed with 2 and 3 layers of wordplay. If my use of "potty pan poo" offended voters,there is no way that your use of "reverse Midas complexion" couldn't offend them more...as there is quite literally a such thing as "potty pan poo" but "reverse Midas complexion" makes no sense.Midas' Golden Touch has nothing to do with his complexion i.e. the color and texture of his skin. However,shitting on you like your body shampoo is potty pan poo makes PERFECT SENSE in literally every permutation of the English language. Furthermore,the annulment of the vote itself is questionable because the vote literally follows every single rule extant in the RBL. In reality...a 2-4 vote swing in my favor would be both sensible and fair. However,I deliberately chose not to pursue this path,as I'm not one to mire a tourney in concrete or start slinging mud over a series of honest opinions and honest mistakes.That leads me to what I think the solution is...

    2) I suggest--rather than dancing back and forth about votes which really are very clear in their adherence to the rules and categories or LACK of adherence to the rules and categories--that we (me and you,jdm) just go one more round with full warfare.Flips allowed,no recycling biting etc.Voting Guideline specified (this reduces the voting process to like 5 minutes and hits every single category and prevents us from having the debate that we're having now.That's why we worked on a Voting Guideline in the first place). We always felt that multirounds for champ tourneys and semifinals--like the NBA--should be done anyway. Whaddya say we drop 16-40 bars by Tuesday midnight and let THAT be the final determinant? It would void the drama we're looking at here and rescue the RBL from a potentially significant black eye on its rep,and allow the tourney to proceed apace.

    3) I'm not trying to offend or diss anyone,and I'm not trying to overstep my bounds as just a regular RM member.I'm just trying to suggest a helpful solution given the realities that we face in this situation
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  7. Mrjdm998

    Mrjdm998 New Member

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    How about no? The fact a mod straight away suspected it is you is good enough reason to turn down the vote. Fact of the matter is you could have been disqualified straight away for showing up late (Again). There is no black eye or debate, it's pretty simple: A person signed up JUST to vote on this battle, took the time to fill out the voting guideline which you made and nobody else had used yet, voted for you and you somehow know him or something? Hell even tif that vote stood you'd still be a vote down AFTER taking about 10 hours extra hours to write your verse, so I see no reason for any sort of re-match.
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  8. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    If you refuse a 2nd round (not a rematch) that's fine with me.i respect that opinion and won't debate it. However,the facts that you further garlanded your opinion with a highly debatable. You said that "the fact a mod staight away suspected it is you is good enoughreason to turn down the vote". No it's not. Remember that Bar nigga or smitty or somebody thought you were me earlier this year and it took a mod to step in and check our IPs and prove the contention to be false. Suspicion isn't justification,it's merely suspicion. Facts either confirm or deny. In this case? Every area of your contention has recent cases that the mods let go as they judged it on a per battle basis,some of which may have been mistakes: Jack posted days late vs me and Jai more than once and his posts were allowed to stand. He lifted the MW title from me on a post he dropped 3 days late...in another controversial vote,btw. Secondly,I merely misread the time on a battle that I was not informed was on at the time i signed in...a very understandable issue...and I keyed the verse,I didn't concentrate for ten hours. I could write about 12 songs in 10 hours. Lastly,your contentions about Jayalias are false on multiple levels: as I understand it? He lurked here for awhile before signing up. He scanned the forum. He recognized numerous names here from the underground (which was part of the reason he came). He saw my name and recognized it (my name has alot of history on it,Google it as proof). He saw our battle. He voted. But his main interest is in the Audio Emcee and BVA area because--as the links that I provided when I did my research on him only AFTER his vote was annulled because we've never met and never been on any forum EVER together so we never exchanged PMs or ANYTHING LIKE IT--he's already a guy with music out. He has albums. He's from the Bay Area,I'm in LBC. We're a 100+ miles apart.There's no conspiracy to defraud you of votes. And if that vote stood it'd either be a tie or I'd be a vote down,as you stated. I'm inclined to think it's a tie,but I have to go back and check to be sure.
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  9. Twinmania

    Twinmania Maybe we don't exist....

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    Mrjdm

    OPENER - 9
    FLOW - 7
    METAPHORS - 7
    VOCABULARY - 5
    HUMOR - 3
    PUNCHLINES - 6
    PERSONALS - 8
    NAMEPLAY - 2
    WORDPLAY - 5
    VISUALS - 7
    RHYME SCHEME - 7
    CREATIVITY - 6
    CLOSER - 6

    TOTAL: 78


    The opener was fire, had great flow throughout, good personals attacking Stryques love for multi's. The midas and full metal jacket punches were both dope

    DethStryque

    OPENER - 8
    FLOW - 6
    METAPHORS - 6
    VOCABULARY - 4
    HUMOR - 5
    PUNCHLINES - 6
    PERSONALS - 4
    NAMEPLAY - 1
    WORDPLAY - 7
    VISUALS - 7
    RHYME SCHEME - 8
    CREATIVITY - 5
    CLOSER - 7

    TOTAL - 74


    Another good opener. Flowed well, some good punches in there, liked the lazarus one best. Wasn't feeling the stereotypical british jokes.

    pretty close battle but

    WINNER - Mrjdm
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  10. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    Terrific vote! JDM is up! Lol had to shoot some jokes on you and JDM's homeland Twin but s'allgood.Thanks for the vote! I'm actually surprised that I lost the VOCAB category in this breakdown though...how did that happen? Regardless,thanks for the vote!
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  11. JASON ANTHONY

    JASON ANTHONY White Devil

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    jdm -

    Your shit cracked me up. It was on point at the start and finish. Your jabs at Deth were classic and definitely a standard to be upheld. I don't usually lol at my PC screen, but your shit was funny... That being said, while you had a strong start and finish, the middle was eh... Not as strong. You could have easily shut this battle down with your personals. Big ups on that. Your bars seemed a little off balance and long winded in a few spots, but overall good. I agree with Smitty. You have definitely gotten better and I do believe I was one of the first to tell you not to be hard on yourself because you're better than you think. Your verse was a 6 out of 10.

    Deth -

    As always you have multis for days... Too many to remember tbh. Reading your shit is always intriguing to me, but also the same as the last one I read. I saw that you tried to get more personal with this battle, which I was grateful for. Punch after punch means nothing if you're not aiming at anything specific. That being said, I know jdm is British, but it seemed like you were dissing British people rather than him. Lyrically you crushed him... as far as personals, he murdered you imo. Your shit was precise and strong the whole way, through. An entertaining read in a totally different way. 6.5 out of ten.

    This was an honestly hard decision, but I vote Deth... like Smitty said by a pubic hair.
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  12. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    a truly well versed and nuetral,thorough vote. 6-5 JDM
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  13. GetPaid

    GetPaid Well-Known Member

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    I'm mostly going to focus on what I think needs work, so don't take this as me thinking either of these are bad or that I'm better, just trying to give feedback.

    Mrjdm-

    The spare/strike line and frat party lines were real nice, possibly even fire.
    The opener was good...but one Canibus reference in a verse is enough, unless they are sequential (in my opinion), so I didn't feel the closer was that effective.
    Should probably stick to the 2 line scheme approach, I thought it got sloppy both times you tried to extend it into 4 (plastic/...back of it don't rhyme, neither do timeless veteran/mindless complexion).
    And for a 2 line scheme, it looks a bit sloppy when you can't rhyme the set up you specifically chose for the punchline, with the punchline (torn apart Deth/porn star's chest, and yes I noticed the double D/trouble me, but since those aren't topically related phrases you could have found something better. Also, the mixed martial arts/split his heart apart bit)
    And this is just me, but I feel that some of the ones that did match syllables still weren't as precise as they could have been (sick punch/kick butt, or time's depleting/Lions season)
    I'm not a huge fan of single letter name flips because a lot of them have been done, but the Lions one was original (can't say the same for the double D thing though).
    Don't know anything about Dethstryque/his kickboxing but the full metal jacket set up and punch was good

    That was more of a line for line thing, overall I would say you got your points across (he favors the multisyllable shit too much, he's a weak fighter, cares too much about fighting and/or battling).

    DethStryque:

    I'm not counting lines but it looks like you kind of abused whatever the line limit was, yours are really damn long.
    Good fast-paced opener, a lot of energy.
    Didn't understand the Nottingham set up, specifically the "punched lumps in ya beef" part (don't know what that means, I get the rest though). But that might just be me.
    Stuff like "potty pan poo" seems to me to be rhyming for the sake of rhyming.
    Same with Blammo.
    The Jesus of Nazareth part, though I've heard the scheme in a few songs before, was very good.
    Used the soccer fan thing twice, if you're just going to diss nationality, could find more angles.
    The Pledge of Allegiance scheme wasn't as precise as it could have been.
    I definitely like the internal schemes going on, and the unpredictability of where the rhymes are going.
    The Pacman part would have been better if he was from the USA, but I still really liked that part, it seemed like it would flow well if rapped aloud.
    Very good closer.

    Overall, it seems like Dethstryque was trying to prove he could rhyme better than Mrjdm, and I think he showed that very easily. A good amount of forced shit, but there was in both verses, and this one was more ambitious.

    On first glance I was going to say Dethstryque easily...now I'll say Dethstryque by a close margin. I just couldn't get over Mrjdm making a strong point of talking about forced rhymes but then doing some of that in his verse (one last example below). Other than that, it seems to be a preference thing, rhymes versus content, two different approaches.


    "Fuck a hammer and nine I'll batter this guy with masterful lines"
    A hammer and nine? If you're gonna rhyme like that, just own it, I feel.
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  14. PhilaTit

    PhilaTit Well-Known Member

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    Hard to call, MrJ wasn't nearly as good as his other battle in OTBVA but I feel he still won. There is originality issues with your verse Deth, alot of your parts are said word for word from battles in KOTD, not to mention concepts you probably slightly reworded like no one will ever know we ain't heard it (Shout outs to Tricky P)

    Therefor based on creativity/originality I give it to Mrj even though Deth rapped well and had some interesting angles.
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  15. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    There are no originality issues with my battle verse,as I wrote the whole thing completely and entirely on my own. I don't doubt the possibility of someone saying say Jesus of Nazareth before me but I never ever bite or reword anything from anyone and I have no idea who Tricky P is. It's pretty interesting that someone would think that the same verse that contains punches referencing Amir Khan,Ali,spiraling arms of galaxies,Pacman,mules on a Claymore/ASS MINE wordplay visuals and simile,etc. would be bitten works or reworded works but I assure you with the strongest possible words honesty and absolute fact that I am the sole source and author of all my bars.Truth be told? I'm likely to have a longer battle history than many if not most of the KOTD heads and I can go back to posts and battles of mine wherein they've likely said something AFTER I said it first without the slightest inkling that I exist or that I said a bar that they largely repeated at some later point.Like I said,I don't doubt that others may have used similar punches after or before me,but that in no way indicates that I bit them.If so? Then 99.9% of rappers accessing gunplay punches would have to stop because NYC rappers did it back in the late 70's earl 80's and NWA did it in the late 80's. But thank you for the vote anyway! As far as i'm concerned,your vote counts.Btw couldja link us to the KOTD battles where the originality issues as you phrased them originate? Thx.If not,or if you can't name the battles without providing links? I'd ask you to rethink the likelihood that I did in fact originate my bars and you are mistaken in your assumption...either way? Again thanx for the vote.
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  16. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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  17. GaLaTeA

    GaLaTeA GymArt

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    Both were extremely good...

    Mrjdm998 ~ he studied his opponent well, and incorporated every single of his interests against him, but I feel his diss went a bit off road with the overkill use of proving the »gay« aspect though rhyme schemes, which are far to common and easy to use these days. Non the less it's very well writen and carefully thought of as well as executed.

    DethStryque ~ interesting rhyme schemes, focused around various subjects, from attacking the standpoint of the States vs. Britain, using religious topics, wrapped around in a punchline after puchline, went in a new direction with the line "In AMERICA we blast dimes but CROCHET and GARDENING are England's favorite pastimes!" ~ meaning at least as how I'd interpret it....that meanwhile English folks are concerned with "girly hobbies", the American lads are working their way around women...being players, etc...but could be wrong...


    All in all....both were dope....but I'm tipping my scale over to DethStryque...
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  18. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    Incredible vote and you interpreted the punches I threw exactly right! the plot thickens...
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  19. DethStryque

    DethStryque DethStryque theInvincible

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    GalaTea,Get Paid,Jason Anthony,LP,JayAlias,Jai-Z,IAmBent,TheProle--8 votes for Deth. Bout 1/3 of them used The Voting Guideline too.

    Extreme Venom,JOOK,Smittyrhythm,Twinmania,TheIll,RaZ*,PhilATit**...I think Twin was the only one to use The Voting Guideline? Not sure. But I think so.

    *RaZ made two charges that the Voting Guideline could refute...content of bars regarding personals and specific word use/repetition (vocab,creativity,metaphor/simile). Those are only 3 categories in the Guideline,but their reversal could turn RaZ's vote into a tie vote visavis category balance.Idk.Maybe the mods will have him recast his vote via The Voting Guideline? He specifically said:"You kicked his ass in every line and got repetitive after a while, I would've like to see some personals on British people or maybe some name plays..." and my verse was filled with the former and my prior battle with JDM had breakdowns on his name and nameplays too so I didn't repeat that approach this time around. He also said: "he didn't seem to have the tenacity in the variety of his lines, through reading his verse is see a line I enjoyed then the following line would be very similar in basically saying the same thing, cleavers, knifes, macheties..." a quick look at my bars will see that practically every bar couplette except for the boxing metas featured a new subject matter with punches in it,so the variety was there,and there was only one meat cleaver and knife reference in the whole verse.

    **PhilATit made the charge that I bit bars. This vote has to be looked at separately and as soon as it becomes clear that I didn't bite,the vote will have to be thrown out or cast again as PhilAtit indicated that the issue of nonoriginality (me biting bars or rewording bars from KOTD battles,something I most absolutely certainly didn't do) cost me the battle in his eyes. I'm sure he meant it honestly,so it shouldn't take any time whatsoever to prove that I didn't bite...and thus that whole issue is dropped. Mods will make the determination as to whether he should recast his vote or they can decide to void his vote. unfortunately on issues like this it would've been much easier to know exactly what to do had Phil used the Voting Guideline,because Creativity is only one category,but the charge of biting carries with it the charge of instant loss AND (from everywhere that I came from) banishment from the site for whatever period of time the mods determine if the charge is proven to be true. It's NOT true,not even in Satan's wildest drugged out dream...and the person bringing the charge is usually tasked with the onus of proving it as well. So I look forward to these KOTD links that allegedly prove that I bit. I think that Phil will see that he just made a honest mistake and let the thing go.It's up to the mods but usually if a charge of biting is disproven,the whole vote against the charged lyricist is voided...which would leave me with a 8-7 lead. And if I challenged RaZ's vote? That would make it 8-6-1...I'm in the lead or the mods could say "I don't care if you proved Jayalias is a real guy and he isn't a screen alias of yours as initially charged,his vote doesn't count".I think that would be quite unfair--I mean,you can't get any more NOT GUILTY than TOTALLY INNOCENT and that's what I am here--but even then the vote would be 7-6-1 Deth.But of course,the final decisions are up to the mods...they could count everything and Deth is still up 8-7.Or they could do whatever else that mods decide to do.
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  20. Mrjdm998

    Mrjdm998 New Member

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    LISTEN

    Raz's vote STANDS
    Phil's vote STANDS
    Jay's vote DOESN'T STAND

    Phil never said you bit. he said he'd heard the concepts before. Stop posting fucking essays and act like a grown man. I'm not going to go through and point out every vote for YOU I disagree with, so why are you doing it?
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