Poor Hardy. I can't even think of a good WW fight for GSP

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  1. Mac Sabbath

    Mac Sabbath New Member

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    The one place he's vulnerable is the stand up, which he has avoided since the serra fight.

    dan hardy will be in talks with lifetime about his struggle as a rape victim after 1 or 2 rounds.

    Standing up though, I'd have Hardy by counterstrike ko.
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  2. SeeSon

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    I think GSP will win this easily, so that probably means I should max out and bet on Hardy :redface:
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  3. OurSin

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    yeah....no welter weight can get with gsp's lay n gay.....

    if only GSP would stand and fight, hardy would ko him first round easy...:(

    and he's too bitch made to move up and fight Silva or any middle weights....

    so your stuck with gsp dry humping opponents for 5 rounds forever :(
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  4. Nikkles

    Nikkles Don't Fuck With Chuck

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    And GSP's dream fight is against Jake Shields.

    They would have to advertise that fight for explicit content with all the dry humping going on.
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  5. Tha Cunnysmythe

    Tha Cunnysmythe Unsavoury Negroid

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    I would actually like to see GSP-Shields, just to see what high level lay and pray of attrition looks like.

    I've already seen the clinch of attrition and survived. I'm interested in going the full 5 rounds.
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  6. zyclon B gas

    zyclon B gas sososerious

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    love the haters of ground and pound.

    guess what, they have a sport called boxing, watch it instead. you'll get no kicks, takedowns, submissions or ground and pounds. you'll also get hardly any action, excitement or entertainment.

    if you knew your strongest asset in a fight, you'd use that to win. call it gay or cheap or whatever, it wins the fights and is part of mma.

    oh, and GSP is awesome at standup too, so i hardly think hardy will pose any threat up or down to GSP.
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  7. Mac Sabbath

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    I don't hate ground and pound. As long as people like GSP stay active while doing it, I'm okay with it. He constantly tries to improve position and looks to end fights.

    and yeah, gsp doesn't suck standing up. Hardy seems to have mastered catching people coming in, though.
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  8. SeeSon

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    I have a problem with lay and pray for a few reasons:

    1) The scoring favors top position even if the guy on top is doing little to try to finish the fight.

    2) Too often the guy on top is not active and is just capitalizing on the flawed judging criteria

    3) I view MMA as a fight moreso than a sport, and with lay and pray the guy rarely finishes the fight.

    *Note: Lay n pray is different from legit ground and pound.
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    As to the other comment about just go watch boxing...if I'm choosing between the two 9 times out of 10 I'm watching boxing [dunno]

    BJ or Rashad has to be on the card to change my mind.
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    zyclon B gas sososerious

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    every see GSP do gnp? he's as active as it gets. constantly throwing hands, knees and elbows in order to get the win, or looking for a submission. brock has completely obliterated people on the ground.

    i agree sometimes it sucks, but usually it works.
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  11. Mac Sabbath

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    Rules regarding wrestling do certainly need to be reviewed.
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    Tha Cunnysmythe Unsavoury Negroid

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    I agree with this. I'm cool with GSP's style, though I'd like it if he mixed it up more.





    I agree with this, too - Wrestling has far too much of an advantage in MMA.

    We've all seen fights where a BJJ specialist should have won, just from the resistance off his back. But maintaining a standard BJJ position can and will lose you a fight. For what you gain in effective grappling, you lose more in octagon control, despite it being a viable offensive position.

    Take Cerrone v Henderson, From a 'fight' standpoint, I thought Cerrone took it, but the unified rules say otherwise.


    What do you all think could convince them to change the rules?
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  13. zyclon B gas

    zyclon B gas sososerious

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    force other martial arts to learn takedown defense or better grappling skills.

    the wrestling isn't the entire reason the person is down, just the reason they get taken down. plenty of wrestlers get taken down and if they're on top, they've gotten reversed.

    when someone is very skilled at a certain aspect of mma, certainly they'll use that to control the fight if they can - i.e. chuck liddell had great sprawl technique and would keep the fight up even against great wrestlers.

    how often was randy couture on the ground against brock? they stood a lot
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    What can convince them to change the rules? People no longer watching [dunno] . That's all Dana cares about is the bottom line. If the sport keeps growing there will be no need to change the rules. It would take a competitor adopting rules that favored more stand up in order for them to even consider changing their current rules.
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    Tha Cunnysmythe Unsavoury Negroid

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    You think the rules are fine as they are now?
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  16. zyclon B gas

    zyclon B gas sososerious

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    yup. may the best man win. if you can't defend against the takedown, oh well. you can land all the blows you want when you're on your back, but if you don't work and get out of it or go for a submission, then you deserve to lose. obviously you're not as good as the guy that keeps taking you down.
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    Aren't UFC rules just complying with NSAC regulations though?

    Seems like even if they wanted to switch them up, there'd have to be some major meetings and shit.
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  18. Mac Sabbath

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    A person who has mastered nullifying hip escapes and staying in the guard is basically unbeatable though, especially when there is a size advantage.

    Though I agree that wrestling is valid both in and out of the octagon, as a sport that prides itself on being "more exciting than boxing" the rules should favor finishers more than decision warriors imo.
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    Not as good in what exactly? If its a fight, I don't think you can say one guy is a better fighter because he can get a decision by laying on top of someone. Its the equivalent of Stever Kerr beating MJ in a 3 point contest and proclaiming that Kerr is the better basketball player...smh...disgusting.
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    I disagree. I don't think there is anything valid outside of controlled MMA of shooting for doubles and singles. Throws are valid, but not just shooting and working for a takedown. The MMA fan loves to say that most fights end on the ground. I'm sorry, of all the fights I've seen, a fight rarely goes to the ground, and it is rarely only one on one, so I don't view that line of thinking as valid. If you go to the ground in a bar fight, odds are both the guy on top and bottom will be getting stomped by the other guy's friends [dunno]
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