Out of all the things in the world....

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  1. Alias3000

    Alias3000 Well-Known Member

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    a bit more complex than that. You'll have to kill off 90% of the planet to have a faithless planet. kinda hard to do. But Esau is sure trying.
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  2. Ass Napkin Ed

    Ass Napkin Ed DC - 19th & Benning Rd

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    according to who?
    where are you getting this 'factual' evidence from sir?
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  3. Alias3000

    Alias3000 Well-Known Member

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    Esau and his moves.

    It'snot hard to tell where he's trying to take the world....to Hell.
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  4. IAmBenT

    IAmBenT Eat a dick, faggot

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    Persecution of religion has always been a surefire way to inflame fanaticism. In order to effectively ban religion, you must have governments structured like North Korea's, aka Totalitarian.

    And even then, you will have underground religion fighting to stay alive.

    I don't think anyone, atheist or believer, wants to live in that kind of world
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  5. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    its a good mantra

    buddhism & Yoga philosophy >
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  6. TheBigPayback

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    Lp is a pure cornball.

    Atheism's Body Count - Ideology and Human Suffering

    Atheism's Murder Rate: More than 250 Million Dead in the Past Century

    It is often argued by humanists and atheists that religion is responsible for most of the suffering caused by war in human history. It is often argued specifically that religious violence proves God does not exist.* While it is true that religious wars have been notoriously bloody, and waged so contrary to their founders' teachings, religion's followers have no exclusive corner on the market when it comes to creating suffering. Atheism it seems is at least as bad, if not worse. What follows is a brief, tongue-in-cheek, rebuttal to humanism's utopian hope for a peaceful world through the elimination of all religion. (BTW, a related book review of Who Really Cares? reports statistical studies which show that religious people are actually more charitable towards the poor than non-religious people:A Scandal of the Secular Conscience? | Books and Culture )

    Proof # 666 - Atheism's Body Count *

    It is obvious that Atheism cannot be true; for if it were, it would produce a more humane world, since it values only this life and is not swayed by the foolish beliefs of primitive superstitions and religions. However, the opposite proves to be true. Rather than providing the utopia of idealism, it has produced a body count second to none. With recent documents uncovered for the Maoist and Stalinist regimes, it now seems the high end of estimates of 250 million dead (between 1900-1987) are closer to the mark. The Stalinist Purges produced 61 million dead and Mao's Cultural Revolution produced 70 million casualties. These murders are all upon their own people! This number does not include the countless dead in their wars of outward aggression waged in the name of the purity of atheism's world view. China invades its peaceful, but religious neighbor, Tibet; supports N. Korea in its war against its southern neighbor and in its merciless oppression of its own people; and Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge kill up to 6 million with Chinese support. All of these actions done "in the name of the people" to create a better world.

    Atheism's Tendency Towards Totalitarianism Rather Than Freedom

    What is so strange and odd that in spite of their outward rejection of religion and all its superstitions, they feel compelled to set up cults of personality and worship of the State and its leaders that is so totalitarian that the leaders are not satisfied with mere outward obedience; rather they insist on total mind control and control of thoughts, ideas and beliefs. They institute Gulags and "re-education" centers to indoctrinate anyone who even would dare question any action or declaration of the "Dear Leader." Even the Spanish Inquisition cannot compare to the ruthlessness and methodical efficiency of these programs conducted on so massive a scale. While proclaiming freedom to the masses, they institute the most methodical efforts to completely eliminate freedom from the people, and they do so all "on behalf" of the proletariat. A completely ordered and totally unfree totalitarian State is routinely set up in place of religion, because it is obviously so profoundly better society. It is also strange that Stalin was a seminarian who rejected Christianity and went on to set up himself as an object of worship. It seems that impulse to religious devotion is present in all, whether that be in traditional forms or secular inventions.

    And while it is often said that Hitler was a Christian, the Nuremberg documents clearly reveal the heart of this ruthless man who believed in social Darwinism and had devised plans to completely eliminate Christianity after the Third Reich was firmly established. He wanted to use religion to subvert it for his own political purposes, but he had rejected his Catholic heritage long before. What should be of concern to every atheist is that Hitler thought he could best succeed if he eliminated the Church's influence on politics. He promised not to persecute Catholics if the Catholic Church agreed to stay out of politics. However, many Protestants could not accept Hitler's claim to be a German Messiah or submit to an absolute allegiance to the German State, and many Protestants and Catholics were put into Concentration Camps along with the Jews for their resistance to the Fhrer.

    Hitler's view of the Master Race was highly influenced by both Nietzschean Philosophy and modern, Darwinian evolutionary view of science. So we can also obviously see that evolution must be wrong because it led to more than 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews murdered in this quest for Fhrer worship and absolute power.

    My point is this: you cannot say anything about the existence or non-existence of God by comparative body counts. What people do in the name of religion is no worse than what people do in the name of atheism. All it proves is that human beings are capable of unspeakable evils, regardless of their affections or faiths. The Book of James says as much that people use the cloak of religion to hide their greed and oppress one another:

    "What causes fights and quarrels among you? Aren't they caused by the selfish desires that fight to control you? You want what you don't have, so you commit murder. You're determined to have things, but you can't get what you want. You quarrel and fight. You don't have the things you want, because you don't pray for them. When you pray for things, you don't get them because you want them for the wrong reason--for your own pleasure." James 4:1-3, GWV.

    While the desire to see justice on this earth is understandable, and the desire laudable, the lack of justice actually points more to the existence of God. Why? Because of our innate sense of injustice when things go wrong. Why in a universe of chance and accident, where morals are the mere fictions of weak willed and weak minded men, deceived by superstitions, should banal ideas of "justice" stand in the way of the success of the Supermen, who possess superior intellect and who are not bound by the trifling morals of lesser men?

    "Pay attention to this if you're rich. Cry and moan about the misery that is coming to you. Your riches have decayed, and your clothes have been eaten by moths. Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be used as evidence against you. Like fire, it will destroy your body. You have stored up riches in these last days. The wages you refused to pay the people who harvested your fields shout to God against you. The Lord of Armies has heard the cries of those who gather the crops. You have lived in luxury and pleasure here on earth. You have fattened yourselves for the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered people who have God's approval, even though they didn't resist you." James 5:1-6, GWV.
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  7. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    You can't prove atheist are the cause to the worlds problems like religious are...

    atheist nations are more peacefull and thats a statistical fact

    The reason is that religion is often used by powerful people as a means of subtle control in large populations. Look to History for the evidence. The romans, the inquisition, the taliban etc ...

    In atheist societies there is more likely a personal interpretation of humanity/spirituality and collective that's more peaceful and pure.



    church is full of gossipers hypocrites and retarded people. they need church to make them feel better about them selfs. its a mental crutch. one day church goers will evolve into these little men n woman, who dont do nothing but pray and worship and condemn other people they wont be inventors. innovators. leaders. they'll be like those bums on the corner begging for more followers so they can tithe and keep their god less facilities open

    its disgusting how mankind has turned "god" into a commodity
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  8. AliceHouse

    AliceHouse The House Always Wins

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    It doesn't have to be totalitarian.

    Just educated. Look at Northern Europe and the nordic states. They are the least totalitarian, probably the most free, with the healthiest people and everyone is just... happy. They're also extremely edducated and, believe it or not, atheist
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  9. IAmBenT

    IAmBenT Eat a dick, faggot

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    true that

    LP proposed a BAN though.

    I'm sure if I went to Northern Europe preaching the Bible, they wouldn't put me in a jail cell.

    They might come and debate me though lol
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  10. reggie jax

    reggie jax Well-Known Member

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    this guy sounds like a top notch communist. he and stalin would've gotten on well.
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  11. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    i heard stalin was chill person to person
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  12. TheBigPayback

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    lps mad that the worlds problems are caused by disabled people and gossipers.:obamalulz:
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  13. Alias3000

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    lyricalpriest, on a good day you appear to smart to me, but lately you been acting real dumb. what kinda question is that?

    You think the world would be better without a moral code to follow?
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  14. Tacky Jones

    Tacky Jones www.TaCsmassivecock.gov

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    religion isnt the issue. people that take religion too serious are.

    there are some people who i think are better people due to religious morals. but there are also people who take the shit too far, and no, im not talking about just muslims.
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  15. AliceHouse

    AliceHouse The House Always Wins

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    Religion and moral values aren't the same. Religious moral values are terrible.
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  16. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    we dont need a religion to know rape, murder, theft, fraud, usery, slavery, racism, is all BAD people practice...
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  17. TheBigPayback

    TheBigPayback God Particle

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    Thats because it has now been written on your hearts.
    Prior to- the people asked for laws.
    so God gave them laws.

    but ur probably right communism, socialism, atheism and every other ism
    has clean hands according to lp.

    go live in north korea for a while

    then come back and pray we let u back into a country with
    freedoms like religious practices.

    lp just says things out of depressive emotional teenage angst.

    should ur life be better by now.
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  18. reggie jax

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    how come the law not to murder is written on the hearts of almost everyone, yet the laws to keep the sabbath holy or to not make graven images prompt mostly indifference?
    you have to keep conflating atheism (and socialism) with communism because without communism you have no argument.
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  19. lyricalpriest

    lyricalpriest Rap Games Dawson Creek

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    I dont believe in any ismz

    I can be locked up or free ... Neither would phaze me

    I dont desire

    I am battling depression, anxiety, and anger. I wouldnt be angry if I didnt lose a few things in ky life and im learning how to let go.

    You probly Couldnt last a week from where im from let alone a day in north korea, if it were an issie im sure I could live thru much worse conditions then my current ones but tje point is too avoid conflict..

    Religion has destroyed many peoples lives n its beggining to be more clear
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  20. Alias3000

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    Religion is the "practice of" something. it's not wholly connected to Spirutality.

    A person can religiously be an idiot. like some of you are.

    Moral code, however, comes from something written down to follow and understand, and since the dawn of mankind when he could use his brain properly they have been following Biblical moral principles.

    the Most High flooded the planet because Mankind was dabbling in all manner of witchcraft and Sun worship, mostly taught to them by the Nephillim. but mankind picked those things right back up after the flood, totally disreagarding the Most High's Biblical sign/judgment via the Flood.
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