OT: one of the many reasons i voted for ron paul in '08

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  1. onitabas

    onitabas die faggot

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    Given from your posts you don't appear to be a Marxist, but Amadeo Bordiga wrote a very precise pamphlet on the Holocaust and how it relates to the capitalist system and your post reminded me of it. For background he is criticizing "anti-fascism" in that "anti-fascist" struggles are a cross class movement and there are no progressive factions of the bourgeoisie (jargon alert):

    Auschwitz, or the Great Alibi by Amadeo Bordiga 1960
    (the translators note is mighty retarded, don't read it)
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  2. Per$onal

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    lol at comparing ron paul to hitler
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  3. onitabas

    onitabas die faggot

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  4. SiFu

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    Im a check it out....thanks


    Personal homie I'm only comparing to show that the left and right have some similar views to Hitler even if they arent exactly the same


    Thing is with Hitler everyone just says "hes a lunatic" yes he was, a mass murdering lunatic but why did he think the way he did??? it was crazy but he has very precise reasoning for it and most of it IS EXACTLY the same as what conspiracy people say today....there is a group who want to control every nation and they plan on doing it financially....


    You have to remember the time period Hitler lived in....Ron Paul is against the FED well, so was Hitler as all over the World banks were being Centralized and Governments were giving control of the economy over to them...Hitler resisted this as Ron Paul would have done and I'm sure a lot of other people would have done as well......


    Left wing and Right wing is a simplified explaination as Hitler was a Socialist as well (liked Unions and the people to have equality, as long as they were Aryan Germans) so his social policy was socialist but he was also Nationalistic believing the survival of the state took precidence over individual rights so in that sense he was a Fascist...


    Ron Paul is a liberal when it comes to social questions but at the same time he is slightly Fascist coz to him the Survival of a piece of paper is more important than individuals....


    Whats right or wrong I dont know?? I kinda new to understanding how ideaologies and philosophies are used in Politics namean


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  5. Per$onal

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    he isn't liberal on any social issues....I'd like you to even name one where he isn't completely conservative

    Also...that piece of paper protects our country from becoming fascist. Ron Pauls the polar opposite of a fascist. You're way off.

    Obama is fascist.
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  6. SiFu

    SiFu Burning Down Babylon!

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    so he isnt for Gay Marriage or Abortion?? he doesnt think people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else??? thats liberal homie, social liberalism....the government cant interfere in peoples personal actions....so 'Libertarian' has nothing to do with being 'Liberal'???? lol and you wonder why people are confused....


    Of course he's liberal in social issues, he's not conservative, he doesnt think gay marriage hurts the country on a whole and therefore needs to be regulated does he?? or that pornography should be banned etc etc he thinks if you wanna do it then do it just dont hurt anyone and its fine....thats Liberal lol


    Fascism comes out of Nationalism....Ron Paul is way more Nationalistic than Obama....Obama would like to destroy the Nation for the goal of global redistribution, Ron would kill his own people to protect the constitution....which ones worse?? I dunno they both suck


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  7. Per$onal

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    you have a lot to learn buddy
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  8. SiFu

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    WOW....conservatives are for gay marriage and abortion??? hahaha homie you twisted the whole thing thats good the way you did that....you cant make up definitions....the Founding Fathers were not probably for gay marriage, I mean cmon homie.....


    "people have the right to life according to the constitution"....in order to protect the constitution Ron Paul wouldnt get gully if he had the power to??



    Your twisting it bruv Im sorry....your skewing terms to fit your ideal.....


    Ask anyone who considers themselves a 'conservative' if they agree with the things you talk about and when they say no tell them their not really conservatives lol


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  9. Per$onal

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    Just because people consider themselves something doesn't mean it's true...Someone who believes in god could call themself an atheist...does that mean it's true?

    the whole idea of liberals being pro gay marriage and pro abortion is from the hippies in the 60's who thought they were being free-thinkers and rebelling...when in actuality, they were really just agreeing with the founding fathers...the people who made laws against these things in the first place were liberals.

    and no, Ron Paul wouldn't kill anyone...unless you're talking about in a revolt or revolution.....Than yes, but that would be to fight fascism, not the other way around.....by your definition the founding fathers were fascist.

    Oh..and I tell people all the time they aren't really conservatives....Ron Pauls calls himself a TRUE conservative...because he does believe in bringing the troops home, legalizing drugs, and staying out of our lives....the neo-cons like bush, limbaugh, and gingrich are actually liberal by defition...things like wiretapping and policing the world are liberal ideas
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  10. SiFu

    SiFu Burning Down Babylon!

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    lol I dont know what Im saying....perhaps your right I can conceed that much....perhaps orginal Conservatism means what you say....today conservatism means resistant to change and a tendency to want the old way to keep on going....Just like it was Republicans that free'd the slaves and the Democrats wanted to keep slavery going but today its the opposite (or is it!?!?! hehe) and most people see republicans as racists and democrats as not.....



    The two party system breeds this type of confusion tho....when two parties try to encompass EVERY issue raised there will be times of contradiction namean


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    You are right that the two party system is terrible....in actuality the party's are pretty much exactly the same...if there really was a difference we'd have been going back and forth over the years with our countrys policies...however..this is not happening...we've been going the same direction for atleast the past hundred years...in a direction of more government control...I can't even remember the last time somebody reduced the size of the federal government.....when a republican's in office the democrats complain, than the country votes a democrat in..they than do the same things, and the republicans complain, and our country votes a repubclican back in, who than does the same thing, which leads us to vote democrat in...all the while all we are doing is continuing on a road to government take-over in every facet of our lives. Up until bush it was a steady increase...than Bush increased the size of the government more than every other president before him...now obama is increasing it even more than bush did. If we don't do something fast, we are going to be fucked for a long, long time...and our republic will be done for.

    THERE WILL BE NO DOUBLE DIP

    this article just came out laying out how the worst is ahead of us by far.

    This is why we have to put the little petty things like his belief on race behind us...bringing up those types of things are just ways the media and other candidates can suppress him. He's the only candidate who will truly reduce the federal government for the first time in a long time...If he's considered radical compared to the status quo..than good...right now the status quo is leading us towards hell.
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  12. reznick

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    How come I have not been wrong once,

    yet you get proven wrong day in and day out?

    Your track record is poor since we have been having these political debates. I mean your ideas are not evn hard to disprove. First special interest, now this?


    Goodbye Iraq: As Obama's withdrawal deadline nears, last US combat brigade heads home - chicagotribune.com

    Let me guess, at this point, you remold your argument so that this article still vindicates your theories?

    Get off the message boards, and get involved. I dont mean that in a mean way. I mean it in a "I want you to be enlightened" way.

    All this internet research your doing is starting to drive you crazy. Especially when you truly believe that Obama want's our troops to fight a war there forever
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  13. reznick

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    As for foreign relations onit, I am talking about how America is viewed around the world. From the citizens of other countries, to the elites.

    Obama says he has 'no regrets' over his comments on controversial mosque near ground zero - chicagotribune.com

    Its small steps like these that make America a much less hated nation. Imagine Bush doing this. Never. Obama is allowing freedom of religion, while not being against a particular group.

    Obama has great relationship with Isreal, and the Arab countries. Not easy to do.
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    Not to mention, that if I put in half the effort to vindicate Obama that you put into discrediting him, it would probably start to look embarrassing for you.
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    Obama is a piece of shit who's destroying what's left of our republic....enough said.

    oh...but he's black though...forgot
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  17. SiFu

    SiFu Burning Down Babylon!

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    Anyone thinking a Politician is gonna do anything but trick them is a fucking fool lol that goes for Obama OR Ron Paul lol


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  18. reznick

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    nice cop out

    You say Obama will not pull troops out

    Today he pulls the last brigade out


    I dont blame you that there is nothing left for you to say other than he is a "piece of shit"


    You were wrong about Special interest
    now your wrong about this.


    How many times do you have to be wrong until you start to maybe even consider the fact that he is a good president?

    I mean if I were making points about the president that were completely discredited in the next days newspaper, maybe I would consider that he is a bad president.

    However the complete opposite is happening. You keep getting proven wrong. And it's not taking me any effort what so ever. Just a quick skim through the papers every mornin
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  19. reznick

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    your agenda, is that Obama should not be the president

    and nothing will change your mind of that. Whatever happens you will keep molding your argument around current events to support your agenda.
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  20. reznick

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    thats a gloomy outlook on mankind
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