OT - Nas is the GOAT

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  1. illmatiK23

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    Fair enough. But it still makes me lol. How is that kid gonna sit there behind his computer screen and tell me Distant Relatives and It Was Written were trash? That's hilarious.
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  2. teacozy

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    Come on man, learn to read.

    The dude said he didn't think there were "very many famous rappers who were consistent". So I named a bunch.
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  3. seattlebattle12

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    Breh I agree to a certain degree, but all you're doing is throwing out random opinions at me. I can just as easily write crap like

    "Jay only has two albums worth listening to: Blueprint and Reasonable Doubt. Everything else is borderline trash to average. He's only famous because the mainstream sheep eat up his lies and don't want to listen to real, intelligent music" and what would you say to me? Just call me an idiot?

    When talking about GOAT it's more or less an objective title or else anyone can name anyone as the GOAT. Personal opinions are subjective. Stuff like Metacritic average scores and Amazon scores are far more objective in terms of their number (the individual reviews are of course subjective, but like it's a fact that Distant Relatives has five stars on Amazon.com while it's your opinion that it was trash)

    Not to mention Nas's influence is at least as much as Jay's if not greater. Cats are forgetting how Illmatic completely changed the way people were writing their lyrics or It Was Written helping to change the rap game again completely by encouraging commercialism and ensuring in the era of mafiosa rap.

    There's so many points against Hova...the fact that he's a known dick rider who hopes on the latest trends, his biting that exceeds anything any other rapper does, the fact he's admitted he's dumbed down his material to make money, the fact he's been killed by so many people on his own sh!t from Kanye to Twista to DMX to J Cole to Eminem. I will never understand why people think Jay is the GOAT. Oh wait yes I can, cause if you keep saying something enough times with enough conviction people start to believe it, which is also why people think Wayne is one of the greatest.

    Top 10, yes. GOAT. No way. Pac, 3 Stacks, Scarface, Kool G, Nas >>>>>>> Jay. Shit maybe even Eminem.
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  4. teacozy

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    I didn't say that. It Was Written is alright but it's boring to me. And considering I fucking LOVE generic early 90's rap, that's saying a lot. And Distant Relatives is whatever. It's an okay album but it's more of a novelty for desperate Nas stans to overhype.
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  5. seattlebattle12

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    damn breh i didn't know cnn was comprised of desperate nas stans :funny:

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  6. mapleleaf

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    tbh nas paints himself as this guy who has a higher goal and all that crap and makes shit like distant relatives to make people think hes all 'worldly' and shit when the fact is jay-z ACTUALLY uses his fame and fortune for real philanthropic efforts, not vice-versa like nas
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  7. mapleleaf

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    Andre 3000 is the most consistent rapper ever in terms of quality and diversity of release as well as originality compared to his competition

    Southernplayalistic
    Aquemini
    ATLiens
    Stankonia
    The Love Below
    and his features since love below What A Job, Walk it Out, Throw Some D's, Royal Flush, International Players Anthem....

    Andre >>>
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  8. teacozy

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    In that scenario, I'd respect your opinion but not how you came about it. I don't believe there's a right or wrong opinion outside of anything except human rights. I believe there's a right or wrong argument. If I can respect your ideological hustle, then cool. But that example you gave would be something I'd tear into because it's not well thought out. Specifically, that whole shit is cool until the "He's only famous..." because that's sounds like classic underground rap fag hating, the same kind that used to live on this board pre-Grindtime.

    Objectivity doesn't exist. You can reason out what sounds the most "true" to you but everything is always subjective that cannot be proven by science (and even that is biased). And art is outside the realm of the scientific method for the most part. So we can't run a computer to determine who's really better to be "objective".

    And the number of opinions doesn't somehow validate the opinion. If this board decided one day that Eyerate was a black dude from San Diego, would that make it true? This is the argument 2Pac fans use and it's basically the exact same thing as the "sold more albums" theory. You can't aggregate objectivity. Hitler and Stalin were immensely popular, but that doesn't justify their opinions or anything done in their name. Reagan is still a popular president to a large swath of the country but that doesn't make him a good president. Quality v quantity is always at work, and the majority opinion is worth nothing if they're all retarded, i.e. anyone who gives Distant Relatives the same score as Dark Side of the Moon or Ready to Die.

    Nas' influence is not greater than Jay's in any shape or form lyrically, musically, or anything else. Believe me. I don't know how old you are, B, but from Hard Knock Life to now nearly everyone has wanted to emulate Jay. The Jay clones are innumerable, from how dude crafts lyrics to his album titles and etc. You can't be influential unless you cause a sea change or produce replicable memes. Even dude's mocking Jay like Gucci or Jim Jones will reference a Jay album to get at him. When has anyone reminded you of Nas in any way? Honestly I'd like to talk about this more than anything else because I think this is the craziest thing to say.

    So David Bowie and Madonna were dickriders, too? Or because Jay's a rapper somehow adapting is frowned upon? Why is that you think Jay's still successful 14 years later and most rappers can't even get to a second single? And why is it that every other genre calls it an allusion or homage but rap fans are so quick to call shit "biting"? All rap EVER DOES is reference other things, so why is it so objectionable for Jay to use B.I.G. lines and etc yet we're allowed to sample other musicians' music to make beats, reference the hooks of past rap songs and etc.? I was a Dipset fan when Cam was getting at Jay, but as funny as I thought that biting thing was, it's lame when you really look at it. People act like all of his lines are bitten when it's a handful of lines over a 23-year career and almost 300 songs. Come on.

    That "Dumbed down my dollars to double my profits" line is a cop out. Don't listen to the dude. He didn't dumb down shit. He made better music when he realized that all that quadruple-entendre shit he was spitting on Reasonable Doubt was NOWHERE NEAR AS CLEVER as he thought it was. Lupe has the same attitude about his lyrics. Dude thinks just because he over-stacks with wordplay and references that shit is amazing, when really, it's not. I've heard Pimp C verses more affecting and poignant than anything on Enemy of the State. Leave that shit to Canibus stans.

    That's not why people think Wayne is the greatest. We all laughed when he said he was the greatest alive, and then he started dropping stuff like Dedication 2 and proving he was literally the best rapper at that moment. If you don't think he was up there with Clipse and a handful of other guys for a couple of years you're in complete backpacker denial. That's some real freshman level hip-hop fan shit you're saying. If Wayne didn't prove himself, then why did he get accepted after two-three years of work yet Gucci is still having so much trouble getting recognition outside his niche audience in that same timespan?

    And DMX never killed anyone on anything. X was always buns lyrically.

    Jay-Z:Rapmusic::Thesaurus:Battling

    Kool G Rap is not better than Jay. 4,5,6 is my shit, but now you're just being contrary. You clearly have wild bias here.

    See, this is a mu'fucking discussion. CHEA.
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  9. mapleleaf

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    Teacozy >>>

    Butttttt DMX KILLED everyone except Mase on "Niggaz done started somethin"...if u havent peeped it you should
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  11. illmatiK23

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    http://www.realraptalk.com/f3/nas-pumps-up-water-charity-s-mission-256853/
    Nas, Wu-Tang Clan team up for charity | News | NME.COM
    NAS Joins Bob Marley's Son For Charity Record

    Fall back.
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