^exactly. some of you need to look into evolution a little more before writing it off. bigpayback is still under the impression that if we were the product of evolution we'd be dino-sized killing machines based on 'survival of the fittest,' while LP is essentially saying that because we're the dominant species on earth that we are too smart/cool/pimpin to have evolved. both of these views are working off a warped view of not only evolution but humanity in general, and for the most part the same answer can be given to both: evolution affects every type organism in a different way, based on multiple variables which might shape the survival of a species in one way or another. as memento pointed out, every single technological improvement that LP points to as divine intervention reveals an inherent weakness in mankind. basically there is strength in weakness so long as it leads to innovation. this is where humanity has succeeded through intellect. this is why we're so smart yet so frail. if humans are simply "blessed," then i invite you to try your luck in the wilderness for a few months with no provisions, find out how blessed we really are without the inventions of other humans. if we're the inherent kings of nature then why aren't we equipped with the same natural tools as other predators? because those tools were adapted, never inherent. same as the human's intellect. the day a lion meets a human on equal grounds is the day a lion has an easy meal. at the same time, as a collective we are capable of not only bringing the lion into captivity, but also training it to perform for our amusement. both the lion and the man have their inherent strengths and weaknesses. every species has a certain 'niche' (or role) in their given environment, which is how they direct specialization. without this, the natural order we observe today could never exist. yea? then why is it that we've achieved more through modern science in the past few centuries than we previously had through thousands of years of worship? i'm not trying to downplay religion's role in mankind's history, because it has been quite significant. however i think its ridiculous to say that humanity would get more done if we used our minds to 'glorify god.' its quite clear to me that healthy skepticism and genuine curiosity have gotten/will get us much further than blind loyalty to old ideas ever will.