It didn't need to indicate that in order for someone to think about encouraging this kinda of man instead of letting him pass by because of the fact. I could be wrong, but this leads me to think that a woman only interested in a man with his 'shit together' is a little materialistic. There are good men out there without much direction for many reasons, it seems to me that you would date a med student, for the title, the prestige, and the potential income he has to offer you. What if the guy was 25, living at home, trying to get into college to be a med student, but he could not afford it, hence he did not have a car, or a place of his own at that particular time? According to the initial post, he would not be good enough for you or other women who have posted here through no fault of his own. So, these days, women call guys without direction 'fixer uppers'? How lovely. (sarc) This is when the pursuit of independance get's twisted. Its like it dulls that maternal instinct and sharpens the material one ( a big turn off for us guys). And thats what i'm getting at. All these women who are hongry for independance, so, much so, that when they meet a man who isn't kitted out to meet their modern lifestyle demands and every function to answer to her every material whim, she can't bring herself to nurture that man. and thats sad.