Nu'Maan are you a jihadist

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  1. Alias3000

    Alias3000 Well-Known Member

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    I know you're a Muslim. just askin'. what is your stance on the term and its definition please. Use all the materials you need becuase I have some tuff questions for you sir.

    who else is Muslim in here? get in on this.


    Dex Cesar, keep your satanic ass outta here. we don't need your distractions today.
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  2. antilluminati

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    Put radical muslims and radical christians on an Island and get them to all kill eachother, then we will have some peace and quiet time for us grownups.
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    Let me kno if u want this closed nu
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  4. JASON ANTHONY

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    It’s a legitimate question, Payback.

    Only someone as mentally stifled as Alias would think to ask such a thing, but then I’m sure we all saw it coming.

    I hope Nu suicide bombs this retard’s project.
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  5. Flobris

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    OP, where do you stand from a religious stand-point?
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  6. TheBigPayback

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    Look up " yaweh ben yaweh "
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  7. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    could give a fuck less if you do or don't.

    you'd like to see islam badmouthed for a bit, wouldn't ya.

    so you add "ist" to a word, and becomes an official word (e.g. islamist?)

    you cunts are pathetic, you keep trying to question the same topics over.

    ask me anything you want about jihad, it's directly translated as the struggle.

    it's mostly referred to for your inner struggle, but if it comes down, we don't turn cheeks nigga.

    eye for an eye, so if you come at the king you best not miss.

    that nigga closer to the creator than you ever will be.

    you're a fucking confused pagan, who didn't fit in the 5%ers you racist prick.

    take this as a jihadist fucking response, you'll sleep better.

    :numaan:
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  8. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    no need.

    alias is mentally challenged.

    :numaan:
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  9. TheBigPayback

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    Im giving u the option. loose the attitude.
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  10. Nu'maaN

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    fuck outta here, dickwad.

    :numaan:
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    Numan u are such a pill bro. thats it im bringing in ur replacement.

    he knows wayyyyyy more than u about islam

    and hes respectful and hed school u up

    really bro u make it imppssible for.anyone to be fuckin civil to u
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    Hi, I'm that replacement btw :)

    See you guys around.

    Nice to see you here TBPB. It's Scimi from VC.
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    Oh man nuu need to brush up on some koran now. lol

    great to see u here
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    this forum has the feel of a dark smokey snooker club... or a dodgy night club with booze and bodily fluid making the floor slippery...

    ... reminds me of WUP-FORUM. They banned me this week for speaking the truth. "Wake Up" they say... but they walk with one eye open and one eye closed...

    ...irt's only a weeks ban, but I won't miss it since I am here - in this "club" now. lol.

    Ok, the OP is asking "what is Jihaad?"

    Jihaad literally means "struggle" in Arabic.

    "The believers are those only who believe in Allah and His Messenger, then they doubt not, and struggle hard with their wealth and their lives in the way of Allah. Such are the truthful ones" (Quran: 49:15).

    Jihad is an Islamic institution that is widely misunderstood. The non-Muslims fearfully regard it as an Islamic practice that aims to wage 'Holy War' against all disbelievers, to convert them to Islam or to kill them. To the common western mind, the word 'Jihad' is synonymous with 'terrorism' and Islam is a 'militant' religion.

    The word 'jihad' is derived from the root 'jahd' or 'juhd' whose meaning is given by Imam Raghib as ability, exertion or power and 'jihad' and 'mujahida' mean the exerting of one's power in repelling the enemy. He then goes on to say:

    "Jihad is of three kinds; viz., the carrying out of a struggle against : 1. a visible enemy, 2. the devil, 3. one's self (nafs)."

    Thus, in a broader sense, jihad means striving to the utmost extent of one's ability and power by exerting oneself spiritually in the way of Allah and doing one's best to preach the message of Islam to others. This is the jihad that a Muslim can carry out for Islam throughout his life. When used in the narrower sense of fighting against a visible enemy, jihad means fighting only in self-defense, when the initiative of attack is taken by the other party.

    Let us consider the sense in which the word is used in the Quran. Verse 69 of Chapter 29 (The Spider), which is an early Makkan revelation, reads as follows:

    "And those who strive hard (the word used is jahadu) for Us, We shall certainly guide them in our ways, and Allah is surely with the doers of good."

    A similar injunction occurs in 22:78 :

    "And strive hard for Allah with due striving".

    The jihad referred to here is clearly jihad bil nafs - the spiritual exertion to curb one's lower desires and evil inclinations and to try to increase in the doing of good in order to attain nearness to Allah.

    This form of jihad against one's own "self" is perhaps the most difficult of all. It would have been easy enough if jihad had only meant the defence of Islam by fighting against an enemy bent upon the extermination of the Muslims when the occasion so demanded; but to be constantly engaged in fighting against one's inner demons, to guard against all sorts of temptations and greed and never to allow oneself to weaken for a moment lest one be overcome is by far more arduous a struggle. Yet when a believer sincerely tries to purify his soul and asks help from his Creator, he finds Him and God guides him in his efforts.

    Let us now take a look at the Quranic injunction of jihad-bil-saif or jihad with the sword, which is the most commonly understood meaning of jihad in the west today, unfortunately. Consider the circumstances under which the first permission to fight is given to the faithful. The Muslims had patiently borne the most ruthless persecution at the hands of the Quraish for thirteen years in Makkah. The flight to Madinah, however, had further fanned the fire of the wrath of the Quraish since the Muslims were now out of their reach. With individual persecution no longer possible, they now planned the extinction of the Muslims as a nation. They would either annihilate the Muslims or compel them to return to unbelief. In these circumstances came the earliest permission to fight, in verses 39 and 40 of chapter 22, which read:

    "Permission (to fight) is given to those on whom war is made, because they are oppressed. And surely Allah is able to assist them - Those who are driven from their homes without a just cause except that they say: Our Lord is Allah. And if Allah did not repel some people by others, cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, in which Allah's name is much remembered, would have been pulled down. And surely Allah will help him who helps His cause".

    Indeed, war with such a pure motive as to establish the principle of religious liberty was truly a jihad, a struggle carried on simply with the object that truth may prosper and that freedom of conscience may be maintained.

    The second verse giving the Muslims permission to fight runs as follows:

    "And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, and be not aggressive; surely Allah loves not the aggressors" (2:190).

    Again, the condition is plainly laid down that the Muslims shall not be the first to attack. They had to fight - it had now become a duty - but only against those who fought against them; aggression was expressly prohibited. The words fi sabili-llah (in the way of Allah) are misinterpreted by most Western writers as meaning for the propagation of Islam, when nothing could be further from the truth since the Muslims were not fighting to force Islam on others, rather they were being fought to force them to renounce their faith. Moreover, verse 256 of chapter 2, which says :

    "There is no compulsion in religion"
    was revealed after the permission for war had been given, and it is therefore certain that fighting had no connection with the preaching of religion.

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    Lol ur intuitions are pretty spot on.
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    ...continued:


    The fifth verse of chapter 9 of the Quran is mistakenly called by some people "the verse of the sword", as if it inculcated the indiscriminate massacre of all idolators or unbelievers. The misconception is due to the fact that the words are taken out of their context and a significance is forced on them which the context cannot bear. The words of the fifth verse are:

    "So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free. Surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful".

    It is asserted that this verse offers to the disbelievers the choice of the sword or the Quran. Nothing is farther from the truth. As the title of this chapter and the opening verses show, the Muslims are granted 'Immunity' from their obligations with such of the idolatrous tribes as had repeatedly broken their engagements and treaties with the Muslims and repeatedly dealt telling blows to the Muslims whenever they had an opportunity of doing so. The injunction in the fifth verse to wage war is clearly against these idolators who repeatedly violated their agreements with the Muslims, while clear exceptions are made with regard to those idolatrous tribes who adhered to their treaties and those who sought the protection of the Muslims. The latter were to be conveyed the message of Islam but in case they did not accept it, they were to be safely conveyed to their homes. This clearly shows that the reason why the Muslims were fight against the idolators, as mentioned in v. 5, was not because they were idolators but because they repeatedly violated the trust of the Muslims and invited them to war.

    Nowhere does the Quran give the Muslims permission to enter on an unprovoked war against the whole world. Conditions are also laid down as to when war should cease. Says verse 193 of Chapter 2 (The Cow) :

    "And fight with them until there is no more persecution, and religion should be only for Allah".

    The words 'religion should be only for Allah' are sometimes misinterpreted as meaning that all people should accept Islam. This misconception, however, is soon dispelled upon comparison with another verse which carries very similar words.

    "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and all religions are for Allah" (8:39).

    This clearly shows that both the expressions 'religion should be only for Allah' and 'all religions are for Allah' carry the same significance, namely that religion is a matter between man and his God, in which nobody has a right to interfere. This teaching was supported by the practice of Muhammad (peace be upon him) who gave full religious liberty to a people who had been subjugated in war. A well-known example is the occasion of the conquest of Makkah.

    Far from being a militant creed, Islam is such a peace-loving religion that the Muslims are enjoined to accept peace even in the middle of war if the enemy so desires:

    "And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearer, the Knower. And if they intend to deceive thee - then surely Allah is sufficient for thee" (8:61, 62).

    Over here, peace is even recommended when the enemy's sincerity may be doubtful, and there was good cause to doubt the intentions of the Arab tribes who attached no value to their agreements. Yet the Prophet was always ready to make peace even, as on the occasion of the Hudaibiya truce, taking the position of the defeated party - although he had never been defeated on the battlefield - and accepting terms which his own Companions looked upon as humiliating to Islam. Such remained the practice of the Prophet throughout his life and he never led an aggressive attack. The last of his expeditions was that of Tabuk in 9 A.H., in which he led an army of 30,000 against the Romans. But when he found on reaching the frontier, after a very hot and tedious journey, that the Romans did not contemplate an offensive, he returned without attacking them.

    And now, if you guys actually took the time to go to authentic Islamic sites like IslamicBoard for real answers, you would find it quite tolerant and a place where you may just learn other things too, which will help you to understand.


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  17. Alias3000

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    We can get down to tossin' barbs in a minute, I just want to rape your religion down a bit and see if you got the stones to respond with some gotdamn sense and not your tuff guy homemade bomb making attitude you fuckin hobo. Israelites don't turn cheeks either.
    NOw, on to the questions. pull ya skirt up nigga.

    1. Why the fuck do Muslims make a hajj to worship a meteorite?

    1a. and Please tell me who ordained this activity for Muslims to consider this action Holy?

    *hint - I want Quranic verification nigga. not your pussified opinions.

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    I begin in the name of Allah, the Creator of the Worlds and the Owner of the Day of Judgement.

    The meteorite you mention is named the Hajar Aswad (the balck stone).

    The Black Stone

    1. The Black Stone was sent down by Allaah to this earth from Paradise.
    It was narrated that Ibn 'Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The Black Stone came down from Paradise."
    (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; al-Nasaa'i, 2935. The hadeeth was classed as saheeh (authentic) by al-Tirmidhi).

    2. The Stone was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.
    It was narrated that Ibn 'Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black."
    (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 877; Ahmad, 2792. Classed as saheeh by Ibn Khuzaymah, 4/219. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar classed it as qawiy (strong) in Fath al-Baari, 3/462).

    (a) Al-Mubaarakfoori said in al-Marqaah: This means, the sins of the sons of Adam who touched the stone, caused it to turn black. The hadeeth should be taken at face value, because there is no reason not to, either narrated in a report or by virtue of common sense.
    (Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, 3/525)

    (b) Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said: Some heretics tried to criticize this hadeeth by saying: How come the sins of the mushrikeen turned it black and the worship of the people of Tawheed did not make it white?
    I answer by quoting what Ibn Qutaybah said: If Allaah had willed, that would have happened. But Allaah has caused it to be the case that black usually changes other colours and its not itself changed, which is the opposite to what happens with white.


    (c) Al-Muhibb al-Tabari said: The fact that it is black is a lesson for those who have insight. If sins can have this effect on an inanimate rock, then the effect they have on the heart is greater.
    See Fath al-Baari, 3/463

    3. The Black Stone will come forth on the Day of Resurrection and will testify in favour of those who touched it in truth.

    It was narrated that Ibn 'Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: "By Allaah, Allaah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity."
    Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 961; Ibn Maajah, 2944

    This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi, and as qawiy (strong) by al-Haafiz ibn Hajar in Fath al-Baari, 3/462

    4. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kissed the Black Stone, and his ummah followed his lead in doing so.

    Some time after the passing of the Prophet (peace and blessingd of Allaah be upon him) It was narrated that 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: "I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you."
    (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1520; Muslim, 1720)

    The above hadeeth made it clear to the new Muslims of Khaliph Umar's (RA) era, that the black stone was not to be worshipped. The pagans of Arabia were known to worship idols and Islam sees idol worship as shirk/polytheism, and a sin that God never forgives - if done intentionally. The hadeeth makes it clear that the act of kissing the stone (if able) is a part of the hajj and umrah rituals. It is clear to Muslims that the stone was sent to earth from heaven by God.

    ... to be continued.
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    ...continued

    RE: About Ka'bah:

    From Surah Al imran(3):96 The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:
    97 In it are signs manifest; (for example) the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith Allah stands not in need of any of his creatures.


    Abraham and his son Ismail (peace be upon them both) built the Ka'aba at Makkah - Makkah is mentioned in the Torah and the Psalms (Zaboor) as follows:

    'Arise and lift up the lad and hold him in thy hand for I will make him a great nation'. And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water. (Genesis 21: 19-20) This passage is about Ismail Alayhis Salaam and his mother, and the Well of Zam Zam which sprang up next to him. Ismail was the first son of Abraham.

    "Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well (Psalm 84: 5-6) This second reference contains the word Baca, which was the old name for Makkah (Quran 3:96) and it is referring again to the Well of ZamZam.

    RE: walking around the ka'bah

    Because this is the main question you ask, I will go into length on this one. Circumambulating the Kaaba represents the idea of oneness. Its meaning regarding the social life is not to leave unity and to try to maintain this unity. Its meaning regarding individual life contains deep truths. The sky has seven layers; man has seven souls. Each turning around the Kaaba represents a phase, a stage; man covers a phase and is elevated up to the seventh sky, above the material realm. Besides, it means to rise from the lowest step of the soul, which has seven steps, to the highest one. That is, from nafs al-ammarah (soul commanding the evil) to nafs al-mutmainnah (tranquil self); from the animal life to the spiritual life. Circumambulating the Kaaba is a kind of worshipping taken from the order of the universe. The planets rotate around the sun, the electrons around the nucleus, the moth around the candle; rotating around such a center means allegiance with love.

    God Almighty states the following in the Quran: "The seven heavens and the earth, and all beings therein, declare His glory: there not a thing but celebrates His praise; and yet ye understand not how they declare His glory...". (al-Isra, 44) The advancement in science as helped explain that verse. As a matter of fact, including the beings that had been thought to be lifeless, everything was found to consist of atoms. The electrons around the nuclei of the atoms rotate continuously and regularly around the nucleus; it was expressed as declaring the glory of Allah in the Quran. Therefore, to rotate around the Kaaba, which is the symbol of Islam, means to love Islam, to rotate around it like a moth and to attach oneself to Allah.

    Worshipping; is fulfilling the duties like takbir (glorifying The Greatness of God), hamd (admiration and praises), shukr (thanks to God) by a slave for Allah in the way that He orders. Therefore, the fulfilling of the duties by each being can be said to be their worshipping and glorifying Allah

    Understanding Tawaf (circumbulation): Lexically, tawaf means to turn, walk, etc around something. Everything in the universe, from the tiny atoms to huge galaxies, is in a state of tawaf. In the atom, electrons turn around the nucleus, which is like the heart, with a dizzying speed; in the galaxy, billions of stars rotate around the center of the galaxy with an incredible speed. They rotate as if they worship the Creator that created them. As it is stated in the Quran, "each swims along in an orbit." (Yasin, 40)

    The view formed by tens of thousands of Muslims walking around the Kaaba is like the view of a galaxy turning together with billions of stars. Therefore, it is necessary to let oneself be on the orbit in order to get full spiritual pleasure in tawaf. A Muslim who can enter this orbit lets himself be controlled by that spiritual flow and gets the pleasure of becoming a drop in the sea of the believers. The circumambulation around the Kaaba is regarded to be the symbol of the summary of the universe and creation, and surrendering to the divine pre-ordainment.

    A person starts tawaf leaving the Kaaba on his left. It has a symbolic meaning. The heart of man, which is the place where Allah looks, faces the House of Allah in tawaf. Allah looks at the heart of man, not his shape, appearance, money and property. In this sense, there is an interesting relation between the Kaaba and the heart of man. Therefore, the heart of man faces the Kaaba during tawaf. It also indicates that tawaf should be performed heartily.

    A person enjoys the pleasure of being a believer around the Kaaba. It is very difficult to taste that pleasure, which takes place so vividly and enthusiastically around the Kaaba, in any other place. The feeling of closeness experienced in that holy place makes hajjis (Muslims who perform the Hajj) feel at home. Hajjis feel as if they are at home because the face of the Kaaba seems so familiar, its scent feels so acquainted and its coziness feels so comprehensive that no other love can be so attractive for a believer. I have been on two Umrah (lesser pilgrimage) trips and can attest to the security and peace I felt when doing tawaaf.

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    Making Tawaaf / Circumbulating around the Kaabah​


    There is no difference among people who perform a prayer in congregation; similarly, there is no difference among people who circumambulate the Kaaba. All believers are equal there. There is no sign that differentiates a person from others. There exists unity, which is the symbol of oneness. It is necessary to be lost in the sea of believers and to melt in the congregation.

    To turn around somebody and to rotate like a moth around him is an act that shows hearty allegiance and that one can sacrifice everything for that person. In this sense, circumambulating the Kaaba is an indication of turning toward the Exalted Creator, bowing down only in the presence of Him and worshipping none but Him.

    During circumambulation, the hajji should have a respect worthy of God alone and a love between fear and hope. While circumambulating, the haji should build the house of belief, that is, his heart, just as Hazrat Ibrahim (AS) and Hazrat Ismail (AS), his son, built the House of Allah by turning around it. The Kaaba is His house and the heart is the place where He looks at. The hajji continuously looks at the Kaaba, observes it and watches its loftiness; similarly, Allah watches the heart of His slave and pays attention to it. As Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) expressed concisely, “Allah does not look at your shape, appearance or property but at your hearts and deeds. (Muslim, 1, 33)

    It is like that both in this world and in the hereafter. As it is expressed based on the 88th verse of the chapter ash-Shuara in the Quran, on the Day of Judgment, when nothing will be of any use, Allah does not want gold or silver but a sound heart. “Oh hajji! Do not think that they want gold or silver from you. They want a sound heart on the day when wealth and sons are not beneficial.” As a matter of fact, in our culture, the sufis use all of the adjectives that are used to describe the Kaaba for the heart and call the heart the House of Allah. Or, they call it bayt al-haram (the honorable house) and they use the same expression for the heart because the heart is the house of Allah and it is haram (forbidden) for anybody but the beloved to enter there. As a matter of fact, the following hadith that the Messenger of Allah stated while circumambulating the Kaaba confirms it. “(O Kaaba!) You are so nice; your smell is so beautiful. Your fame and honor are so high. However, I swear by Allah, in whose hand is my life, that the honor and immunity of a believer with his property and life is greater than your honor.” (Ibn Majah, Fitan 2)

    I hope that explains things, if you have any more questions, feel free bro

    So to confirm.

    1) Muslims do not worship the black stone
    2) The pilgrimage was ordained by God himself, and is one of 5 pillars of Islam. Also, it is an ancient custom borne from the time when Ibrahim (prophet Abraham) left his wife and child in the valley of Makkah / Bakkah.

    If you really are interested in Islam, I suggest some comparative studty with your own scriptures, and to do it under a teacher who knows comparative study, and one who is not biased towards either faith.

    I wish I could post you links, but I need to be a member for 7 days... 2 days down already :)

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