Discussion in 'Hip-Hop Central' started by Ignorant, Apr 24, 2010.
depends what those people entails.
I agree that underground rap is chock-full of pseudo-lyricism (all of rap, for that matter), but to say songs like The Woman With The Tattoed Hands (Atmosphere), Too Heavy For Cherubs (Cage), First Trimester (Illogic), or The Only Way (Blu) aren't lyrical is travesty.
Edginess does not equate to lyricism.
She's never wrote anything profound or deep, nearly every concept she does has already been done to death. Not to mention, her overuse of cliches is utterly painful...
To be fair, I havent listened to or don't know any of those songs. That said, I still doubt they are supreme lyrical type songs.
Never said it did.
I don't really believe that to be a fair evaluation.
And I thought this was about having lyrical quality apart from original concepts.
OK bro, I'll take your words and be gone.
That's cool that you admit to never hearing a song, yet still have assumptions about it.
Original concepts is part of lyricism. So is the use of literary devices, use of cadence, as well as versatility.
If you don't think a lot of the shit she says is cliche, then you need to leave your house more often. "Bad Romance" is one big-ass cliche situation, that's been a done a million times by a half a million emo bands...
Memento..if you don't think rap has lyrical talent, listen to this..
[youtube]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/spqRffgOztA&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/spqRffgOztA&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]
From what youse have said thruout this thread on what u perceive lyrical to be...
was 2pac lyrical ? most of his songs sound basic as shit 2 me in terms of rapping
Free form poetry that you'd find in a weird girl's diary in 7th grade is not lyrical.
haha he made real songs tho. more of an artist than a rapper, all bout gettin his message across... in some of his songs n e way
neway 2pac goes on my list, i like music i can feel. not 1 of the most talented rappers but he made good music
Pac was lyrical.
Free association... not free form.
Free association is combining many different schemes, not just sticking to one, which is basic and non-lyrical to me.
The most lyrical rappers are free associative... like Biggie was.
Free form is having no scheme whatsoever.
Free associative rappin' also lends a conversational style to rappin'... which KRS One pioneered.
fuck this is so confusin shit 2 me
sounds like u could make an argument for any1 bein lyrical
There's really two definitions of lyrical, but Pac has always been lyrical in terms of hip hop.
He only got simpler in his later years... and even then, he was still "lyrical."
He told someone their view on lyricism was wrong, only to get the definition wrong himself.
ah well its all down 2 perspective i guess, like everythin in life is
my personal opinion is pacs 1 of my top 10 music artists but not in my top 20 rappers haha
I interpret 'lyrical' as having complex rhyming techniques.
That said, mine are:
-Kotton Mouth Kings
Hmm I guess it depends how you look at it then..
I think of lyrical rappers as poetic..
I guess we would have to narrow it down a tad more..lol
I was actually talkin about Lady Gaga, not Sage. Good rap lyrics are always more lyrical than any other medium of expression... just the nature of the writing style.
no strict rules = no standards = no measure for quality = no way to be good; that's what song writing in other mediums is.
True that, sir.
Oh I get it, you're retarded...
Separate names with a comma.