New producers should know one thing....

Discussion in 'Audio Producers Discussions' started by RZA n Wu 36, Nov 11, 2005.

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  1. Embassy Sweetz

    Embassy Sweetz 360's thee-shit,-b

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    well u talkin about a whole other situation...and i agree that we are all effected by our in enviroment but WE conciously or subconciously decide whether its a postive or negative experience...if u have 2 clones..one in the hood and one in the burbs..theyre gonna have 2 totally diff strenghs and 2 totally diff weakness...niether one is better...jsut like u cud put to genius kids in the best schools and one in the inner city schools..their both gonna have positives and negatives...and trust i got nothing wrong with hardware...i been fuckin wit my Es rack for a good 8 or so months now and yes..im better with it than iw as with just FL..BUT at the same time..i wudnt be ANYWHERE right now if it wasnt for my foundation WITH fl...it really prepared me for hardware...and im not even comparing hardware to software..im jsut comparing new equpiment to equipment that your comfortable with ...the ES rack was a great compliment for me..but im sure it wasnt for someone else...

    now if u talkin bout professionalism thats a whole diff thing entirely...that somthing that comes with time...not better equpiment..shit i didnt start selling beats until a good 2 or 3 years AFTER i starting makin beats...thats just prepartion and mastering your craft b4 jumping into the field head on...
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  2. urban_tactics

    urban_tactics aka johnny cockram

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    lmao@ good binoculars....that actually made me laugh outloud
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  3. the exposer

    the exposer The Music Luvas

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    given that indian all that shit that suks and he still sucks...

    heres the point your avoiding if you jus started 2 make beats and bought a motif es8 you gonna still suck. if you not a dope producer you not gonna be one with the dopest shit..

    of course the better indian will most of the time benefit from the better gear.
    but not always. why do bigtime prodcuers uses reason 2.0 2.5 or 3.0 then and thats what at 400 dollar program if that. and there keyboards and programs out there for ten trimes that amount. motif fully loaded es8 around 4gs and vienna symphonic library is more than 4gs.. i kno personally looney tune do all there sequncing thru fruity loops and sometime jus uses the sounds off the cpu of course using outide vst and other shit.. and they got a multi million dollar production deal. so when people try 2 tell me that i say no.. believe me im a pro hardware guy cuz thats what i kno for the most part but from my expeirience in the biz and the succes of other that have came up jus off there laptop i kno betta

    so as always now ima add it to the sig in a sec

    remeber "its not the bow and arrow but the indian"
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  4. -008-

    -008- New Member

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    you are def. a nut case


    Hardware, Software , Underware .........

    it's the man using the shit ,not what the man uses. trust.

    If you want FL or anything to work better ,start w/hot samples

    you cant polish a turd . (and fl included samples suck)
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  5. HYPNOTIK

    HYPNOTIK Fully Loaded

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    D/l ya free demo version of fl today and get down.
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  6. Ejuhcaited

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    im not really avoidin that point, im just assumin that its already assumed that a wack dude will still be wack...

    on the real, producing wit cheap equipment is like tryna play basketball with a deflated balll...if that person gets some real shit hes gonna improve...FACT not Opinion


    and ur Reason and Motif comparison is a lil off...the MotifES8 has 88 weighted keys so of course its gon cost 4 Gees...a more fair comparison wuld be Reason an a Motif ES rack...Reason doesnt have 6 analog outputs or midi connections or a D/A converter so of course is gonna cost less than a Motif...its just software....reason is definently a professional tool

    While FL and MAgic Music MAker and Hip-Hop Ejay all cost less than 100$...how much time do you think went into the development/coding of the sound engine ETC? thats why it sounds so weak compared 2 real shit. If u compare the sequencer,midi features, and stock sounds and plugins...its all Elementary compared to Logic and Reason
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  7. HYPNOTIK

    HYPNOTIK Fully Loaded

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    what people dont understand is..

    when ur new to this shit.. U only KNOW so much..


    but........................

    as u grow and get mroe into this. u becoem mroe focused. learn more.. and better ur self.. and understand that The mreo moeny u put into it.. the better ur quality will be..

    and no. JUST becuase u buy expenive equipment.. better mixers.. and exspensive monitors dont mean ur going to start automatically start mixing like a professional..

    it takes MONTHS or even years of experience....

    all u newbies need to chill out and better ur selfs and get an understandinng of HOW everhting works before u move to the next level
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  8. HYPNOTIK

    HYPNOTIK Fully Loaded

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    lol yall cats be killing me..

    "ayo this my first time making beats wut u suggest i start with? a mpc 4000 or triton???"

    jess cause u see OTHER people using the shit dont mean ur going to pick it upo.. and BANG... start making sick beats..
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  9. WillieK

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    hahah urb

    dunn be all stressin and shit if suckaz can't feel wat u sayin mannn



    oh yea, i been savin up some money, not sure whether to use it fo software or hardware

    now should i get a Triton or MPC?? or Logic Pro?? or FL Studio??
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  10. RZA n Wu 36

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    ok im gonna state this for like the 5,000,000th time... i said in my ORIGINAL POST that if you know what the fuck ur doin with software, how to do all the shit that hardware does to sounds, and you know the ins and outs of the program, you can make BANGIN shit on FL... if you dont know what ur doin as much, HARDWARE may be a better option if you have MUSICAL TALENT... i am strictly speaking on behalf of those who posses potential... why the fuck would i think that someone who possesses no musical talent could make music on hardware and not software? yall are fuckin trippin all over this thread, and you blew it up to something its not... if you disagree, i will listen to ur fucking opinion, but dont start goin on a rant, that shit is just stupid... if u have a good counterpoint spend ur energy on provin it...
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  11. Xabiton

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    say it aint so Urb! lol i liked the eps i just liked Reason better
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  12. Xabiton

    Xabiton RM Veteran

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    ur the first person i know of who has had experience with the new mpc why didnt u like it?
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  13. Xabiton

    Xabiton RM Veteran

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    whats to say hardware is that next level tho? i honestly think more newbs should start on hardware because its less frusterating then learning sound design because most pieces of hardware already have useable sounds so ur just bangin out beats vs havin to learn how to tweak sounds which for a newb is just another difficult task along with making the beat itself
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  14. SkizzAFrantik

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    Obviously buying hardware itself isn't going to instantly make you more talented.

    It is gonna give you more tools at your disposal though. I mean, the more weapons in your arsenal the more deadly you'll be. If you've got Fruity Loops but you're running stock sounds and using the cursor to paint all your melodies, you might be able to knock out a decent beat but, regardless how talented you are, you're limited in what you can do. Finding dope sounds and buying a Midi controller, for example, is gonna give you more options; more weapons at your disposal, which is gonna make less limitations for you, hardware is the same way, for example, no matter what plugins and effects you have, you're not gonna give a digital MP3 sample the same warmth and grit that an analog vinyl sample has, so if you want the option of going for that sound, you're gonna need to have a turntable...

    It's about options, the more weapons in your arsenal the more ways you can kill 'em.
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  15. HYPNOTIK

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    ^ this guy gets it
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  16. the exposer

    the exposer The Music Luvas

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    its a great machine... got automatic pitch n time on the pads which is real real crazy. but ive become so used 2 my mpc4000 so many programs that ive made for it that i still hold true to that. but the pitch n time or time strechting as its called is real nice. the fx unit is coo all around great mahcine. im still running back thru my head if i still wanna get it for my crib or buy something that i dont got for my studio.. but if you own a mpc2000xl or 3000 get the mpc2500 but if you got the mpc 4000. jus time stretch on the cpu and drop it back in thru usb.

    i still gotta play with it more but timing was has been bad for me 2 get into southbeat studios more and play with it. the one i had jim jonsin now is permantly using i thought he wouldnt like it after me and one of his engineers went thru it. but he neva owned a 4000 he was a 2000xl cat. me i love the machine but right now i dont wanna spend the money on that right now. im prolly gonna purchase the ssl channel strip around $3,500 jus mess with my drums more going into pro tools.

    but once again the mpc2500 from my opinion is defintley worth the buy and if any of you in the miami area an wanna buy it holla at me thru yahoo at themucka2003 and i will hook yall up.

    pz
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  17. Mr. sickVisionz

    Mr. sickVisionz The Gentleman's Producer

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    The wild shit is this though. If you compare alot of hardware to software, outside of effects boxes and mic pres, the software is technically better. It does way more than hardware could ever hope to do without costing in the hundred of thousands.

    Look at it. I have hardware (alot of it) myself. But you look at a motif bragging about having 175 MB of sample memory. LOL, you got giga sampler instruments where one patch is a few gigs. You can't even compare fairly compare the two of those. And the gigasampler shit is not only better, but it cost less.

    You got MPC maxing out at like 512 megs of ram. Thats "whopping" to them. To them, thats a crazy amount. But you can go grab a software sampler (thats gonna have way more effects and features and have it stream off your $100 150 GB hard drive.

    Thats what so wild. Hardware is moving to being just dedicated computers. Most things use a DSP (Digital Signal Proccessing) chip to do everything anyways. Those chips are just codes. Theres no vaccum tubes or amps on that microchip. Most of the hardware is converting everything to ones and zeroes before messing with it just like software is.

    Personally, I don't like to look at shit with music as one being better than the other. Its all art to me and it depends on how you use it. Cuz a cheap sounding reverb seems really shitty compared to a Lexicon until you're doing a beat and you want to have that 80s new wave really cheap reverb sound.

    But... if you're gonna label something as being technically better that something else, you gotta base it off the reality of what the technical specs of both things are. Based off of that, its hard to see how you can say that "hardware" devices are technically "better" than software ones.
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  18. Gamshooter

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    hardware for the most part will be phazed out eventualy

    maybe not in our musical life time but sure enough

    software is to infanitem if u buy a motif u cant really expand it beyond what motif offers, with a computer the skys the limit, u can add 1000 vsti's, 1000 refills, 1000 soundfont sets, ect ontop of that u can do sound editing, tracking, mixing on the fly in the same computer, u can even track vocals on the same computer


    and while its rendering u can watch porn

    faa realls lol
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  19. urban_tactics

    urban_tactics aka johnny cockram

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    please refrain from makin uneducated assumptions like this.......

    hardware isnt going anywhere ever...........software is fully dependant of hardware

    software cannot and will not improve without hardware improving ALSO....therefore hardware will always be the Alpha of the two.......
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  20. Gamshooter

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    jeez if u wanna get technical then EVERYTHING IS HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE , as software needs hardware, and hardware needs software
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