Discussion in 'IntroSpectrum' started by identity-X, Jul 19, 2007.
The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Quick, Id-X! SPIN IT!
And now you see what Neoconservatives were up against.
Don't like Neocons? Blame Marx for not being intelligent enough to predict the bloodshed caused by his observatiosn.
I'm reading up a lot on marx right now, and he clearly did predict the bloodshed caused by his observations. However, your problem arises in that you are still presuming id-x is a marxist or a socialist...
He may be a vegan sandal and socks wearing liberal, but as I've tried to instruct you before: "liberal" and "socialist" are not synonymous. To say that they are apparently is the spin of the neocon. I thought it was only YOU who made this mistake, and after reading this article (or part of it) I realize it is not just you, but characteristic of many neocons like you.
It's a way of making a straw man to argue against instead of actually arguing with identity-x. You're arguing against a commie that isn't there.
You're grasping to make a direct connection between Marx/Marx's ideas and 20th century "fascist socialism", an oxymoron if I've ever seen one.
It'll be interesting to see the backlash 30 years from now if the neocons are successful in making this the "New American Century".
good luck getting that point to stick...
Why aren't marxists SUPPOSED to admit it in public, tho? That's what I don't get.
Does he mean "communists" or whatever? Like the professor on "The Good Sheppard" where it was some sort of secret society? I met an afghan woman who was leary of different groups because she feared they may be secret commies or some shit.
Why would that be a secret? It's not like anything would happen to you here today if you were a member. [dunno]
I am well aware of the seperation.
Chain of organization:
Communists carry AK-47s and kill anyone who disagrees with them as long as they should "FOR THE PEOPLE" loud enough.
Socialists exploit capital engines as hidden parasites to divert resources to them.
Marxists are people who explain away to intellectual circles what Communists do.
Liberals are people who explain away to public empathy what Communists do.
That's how it works. That's why the Left is stagnating today. Without their Communist grunts to march all over Asia, they have nothing to support but the isolationism that Republicans used to support 70 years ago!
Do you even know what a democrat is? Do you even know where the historic party of democrats comes from? Soultan, democrats were dixiecrates. Before that, they were federalist. Today democrats are socialist ideologist/racist. Back in the day they believed they had a right to own black people. These are the same democrats who didn't want blacks to have civil rights, until the conservatives forced the democratic president of the time into giving blacks civil rights. Of course, if congress hadn't of been democratic for so many years, republican Charles Sumner's civil rights act of 1875 would have passed, and there wouldn't of been any need for civil rights movements. These modern day democrats have created modern day slavery, people are totally forced to be dependant upon the government like blacks were totally dependant on slave masters 400 years ago. In modern affect, they want to keep you poor, uneducated, and enclosed in a wel-fare state. They are modern day slave masters, who will tell you, illegal immgration is a good thing. However, Since when is slave wages for hard labour a good thing? Democrats are the demagogues for Corporations today. It's like the art of fighting without fighting, their demogougery makes you look at the republicans as racists, though historically and persently, that's what democrats are all about.
Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."-Senator Hillary Clinton
Some junior high n.igger kicked Steve's ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n*gger down. However it was, it was Steve's fault. He had the n*gger down, he let him up. The n.igger blindsided him."-- Roger Clinton, the President's brother on audiotape
Blacks and Hispanics are "too busy eating watermelons and tacos" to learn how to read and write." -- Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax
Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.
The democrats of the past and of today are not what you think... They are the same low life federalist scum they were 400 years ago. They've just learned how to demagogue the masses and conceal their history.
The conservatives are the classical liberals, their the most unracist people throughout american history. They are the reason you have civil rights, they are the reason you're not a slave today. Why would you choose to be a worthless democrat who has retrospectively and currently done nothing for miniorities nor was or is a liberal? That is beyond my comprehension.
Identity x, has said many times he's a Marxists... He follows the democratic party of socialism.
What you discribed as a "vegan sandal and socks wearing liberal" is not liberalism. That is a medieval-enviromentalist douche who follows communism/marxism ideological trends and will lean toward democratic socialism because their lazy agenda is dependant on handouts. They are usually upper-middle class brats, who demagogue the world, without being in it. Their druid worship is just as dogmatic as fundamentalist christianity.They do not care or remain unware of the fact that their energy polices destory underdeveloped countries. I've never met a moonbat-liberal I liked, but I've met alot of conservatives who are against the war in Iraq that follow classical liberalism, I do like.
Democrats + liberalism = incorrect!
Conservative + classical liberalism = Correct.
That is why I patronize moonbat-liberals of today. Because democrats were never liberals. They are communist, racists, marxist, anarchist/syndicalist, or socialist.
Fascism and socialism are two sides of the same collectivist coin.
you couldn't point out any posts where I said I was pro-abortion (because none exist) and NOW I'm challenging you to find a post where I claim to be a member of the Democratic Party.
it would do you good to re-read Soultan's post about Ghet calling me a Marxist.
happy hunting [funny]
miles apart son. socialism is anti-fascist.
Oh my god, it's no secert you're a marxists to deny it is your cowardice. I'm not going through past threads which have been deleted along with my fine works. All that matters is I know exactly what you've claimed. I don't really give a shit who believes it. I also recall we had a discussion on Abortion once during a ferious feminism discussion and You were pro-arbortion then.
Play your shill game, But I don't by it for second, nor does ghet or teq.
can't find an example, eh? let me do it for you...
That's your recent comment, plus you said it after I outed you.
I never addressed you in that thread.
I remember our eariler discussions which have since been deleted along with my old master pieces, You were very pro-abortion. Did you have a change of heart?
i've always been anti-abortion. just as I've always been pro-choice.
sorry dude...you're mistaken
Pro-choice is advocating abortion.
It's still pro-abortion.
You can't see that?
How about anti-abortion, That way your hands are clean?
You don't advocate it nor are you for it.
no...in fact it isn't
This is why I don't care for you. You don't follow logic. You follow ideology.
By biological definition, the fetus growing inside the womb is alive from the moment of conception. The growth of the cells development occurs immediately. The nature of life inside the womb is undeniably human. (thank DNA) Now, by definition, An abortion eradicates the fetus inside the womb, which is alive and human by nature. This is not a choice we can make.
You do infact advocate abortion.
No, the distinction between them is almost soley a rhetorical one. Clear away all the superficial guff about the proletariat to reveal the underlying mechanics of the respective doctrines and what you do you observe? in both cases a system where the rights of the individual are subsumed by the collective will as defined and administrated by the state.
If you read mussolini's 'the doctrine of fascism' it is very clear that fascism is but a crude rebranding of marxism. All mussolini really does is remove the marxist antipathy for religion so as to make it palletable to the italian people, who are of course deeply catholic for the most part.
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