Muslims are targets of paranoid U.S.

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  1. Thrilla-Ali

    Thrilla-Ali Dapper Don

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    What do you think?

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    our countries are the targets of paranoid muslims also.stop being so one sided.
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  3. menaz

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    They are cautious not paraniod. LMAO!
    They know exactly what muslims are capable of.

    It would be like when japan attacked us. If You're suspicious, could have ill-bigot intentions, or illegal you could get singled out (that's just how it is during war.) Only difference is the Japanese americans were mostly good people, But it is know fact the Illegal japanese immargants were providing american intelligence to the Japanese intelligence. However, After ww2 reparations were paid to all the japanese famlies. Hell, National security even hassels White christians at the airports. It really sucks for everyone and Muslims are the cause for all of this. You actually did this to yourselves and to others as well. THANKS!

    And I say WHATEVER to it, because i'm for mirconations.

    How's house arrest working out? Good to know another religious nutcase hypocrite leads a criminal life. This thread proves you're the paranoid one.
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    Now lets look at muslims. And you wonder why they are cautious.
    Oh and By the way, Jeff Siddiqui is a shill. Seems good ol' siddiqui
    can talk his mind, but others can't. Well I should inform you and him
    I'm not political correct, I speak the truth!

    Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191),
    to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9:5),

    fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29).

    Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85).

    It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28).

    It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17).

    It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that "they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (Q.5: 34).

    "As for the disbelievers", it says that "for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Q. 22: 19). Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is his father or brother (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28).

    Quran asks the Muslims to "strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9). The holy Prophet demanded his followers to "strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; then after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Q. 47: 4).

    As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34).

    It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10).

    It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282).


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  5. menaz

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    Hamas is using real estate deals in Maryland and around the US to raise money for terrorism, according to the Washington Times, with thanks to Joyce:

    The terrorist organization Hamas invested millions of dollars during the past decade in real-estate projects nationwide, including in suburban Maryland, as part of a scheme to raise cash to fund acts of terrorism, records show.
    The investments — involving the construction of hundreds of new homes, including many in Oxon Hill — were handled through BMI Inc., a defunct Secaucus, N.J., investment firm founded by Soliman S. Biheiri, an Egyptian and Hamas supporter, according to a newly released sentencing declaration by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

    In the declaration, ICE senior agent David Kane said Biheiri, sentenced in January to a year in prison on immigration violations, used the firm beginning in 1991 to raise "large amounts of money" through investments and as a front to route cash from more than 100 bogus Hamas charities and businesses, most of which operated in Virginia.

    The Oxon Hill investment included a project known as Barnaby Knolls, financed by a BMI subsidiary BMI Real Estate Development Inc., the declaration said. Begun in January 1991, it involved the construction of 57 homes in the working-class Prince George's County neighborhood.

    ICE agents refer to the project as "Hamas West," although no one living in the subdivision has been identified as being involved in the scheme or with the terrorist organization that is pursuing a Palestinian state.

    One of the principle BMI investors in the Oxon Hill project, according to the Kane declaration, was Mousa Mohammad Abu Marzook, the self-proclaimed political leader of Hamas detained by U.S. authorities in 1995 on suspicion of being involved in terrorist activities. He later was expelled to Jordan, where he was deported to Syria for his ties to Hamas.

    The U.S.-educated Marzook, who had lived in Falls Church, has been named by Israeli authorities on charges of murder, attempted murder, manslaughter and conspiracy in truck and bus bombings in Israel that killed 14 and injured 56. He also is accused of ordering the killing of 37 others in Hamas attacks in Israel.

    According to the declaration, Marzook told a confidential U.S. Customs Service informant during a May 1991 meeting in Ruston, La., that he "has and currently is investing money with BMI," including a real-estate project in Oxon Hill, where he intended to build "more than 56 homes." In the tape-recorded conversation, Marzook noted that the suburban Maryland site was close to Washington.

    According to the declaration, more than $1 million was invested by BMI in various real-estate projects, many of which are described but not identified.

    The declaration said hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in the projects was returned to investors or were re-invested in other real-estate developments, with much of the cash being routed through banks in Virginia and New Jersey to Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. It said significant amounts of cash obtained in the real-estate ventures were used "in furtherance of Hamas terrorist operations."

    It was a U.S. investigation into Marzook's financial activities in this country that led to Biheiri, BMI and Ptech, a Boston-based computer software firm raided by customs agents in December 2002, authorities said. They said Biheiri and Yasin Qadi, a key BMI investor, were the primary Ptech financiers.

    Qadi, a Saudi multimillionaire, was listed by the Treasury Department in 2002 as a terrorist and is thought by authorities to have diverted millions of dollars to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network through various charitable organizations.

    Biheiri was a key figure in a scheme using private companies and interrelated Islamic charities operating out of business fronts in Herndon and Falls Church to divert millions of dollars to global terrorists, including Hamas and al Qaeda.

    In 2002, federal agents raided 14 Islamic businesses in Virginia, seizing computers, bank statements and other documents in a customs investigation known as "Operation Green Quest." That probe focused on what authorities called a "financial relationship between" BMI and a Herndon corporation Sana-Bell Inc.

    Authorities said Sana-Bell existed to generate funds for a Falls Church-based charity known as the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO). In an affidavit filed in connection with the Green Quest investigation, Mr. Kane said the CIA listed the IIRO as having "extremist connections" to Hamas and Al-Gamaa Al-Islamiya, the Egyptian terrorist organization that served as a precursor to al Qaeda.

    Hamas was designated by the State Department as a terrorist organization in 1991. Although the number of hard-core members is unknown, supporters and sympathizers have been placed in the tens of thousands. Much of its fund raising takes place in the United States.
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    http://josephnadir.wordpress.com/20...ck-triggers-deceptive-and-ignorant-reactions/

    As many already know self-identified Muslim Naveed Afzal Haq went on a shooting spree at the Jewish Federation Building in Seattle after saying “I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel“. The day after this terrorist act a number of religious leaders were interviewed to get their reaction. Unfortunately, their comments demonstrated the ignorance and/or deception that continues to be so common when talking about Islam.

    What follow are a few excerpts of the interview:

    The Rev. Sanford Brown, executive director of the Church Council of Greater Seattle, called the shootings a “senseless and immoral action in which a sick individual targeted innocent people.”

    It is not “senseless” from the Muslim terrorist’s/jihadist’s perspective. They use the Koran to justify their abominable acts as Robert Spencer has pointed out in Frontpagemag:

    jihadists themselves routinely invoke it [the Qur’an] as the justification for their acts of violence, and as a means to recruit other Muslims into their movement. Hundreds of photos are available online of jihad terrorists brandishing the Qur’an, often along with rifles or other weapons. And any cursory glance at the statements of jihadists shows them to be filled with Qur’an quotes and appeals to other Muslims that they represent “pure Islam.

    Here is Hisham Farajallah’s, president of the Islamic Center of Washington, reaction:

    I am sure faith has nothing to do with what happened – we don’t know that person. We don’t know what his motive is.

    First off, Farajallah is ignoring that the Muslim terrorist stated his reasons during the attack so the motive very clear. Secondly, he is being deceitful or is ignorant of Islamic justifications for jihad. I think it is reasonable to assume the former given the Islamic justification for such tactics called takiyya and kitman. Hence, I think Farajallah is not being forthright with the justification for jihad:

    Nor are these jihadists misrepresenting, twisting, or hijacking what the Qur’an says. Indeed, they are fiercely literalistic, taking the book’s many martial verses at face value. There are over a hundred verses in the Qur’an that exhort believers to wage jihad against unbelievers. “O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed” (Sura 9:73). “Strive hard” in Arabic is jahidi, a verbal form of the noun jihad. This striving was to be on the battlefield: “When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly” (Qur’an 47:4). This is emphasized repeatedly: “O ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him” (Qur’an 9:123).

    This was Jeff Siddiqui’s, of American Muslims of Puget Sound, reaction to the terrorist act:

    This is the very thing we’re trying to prevent being done to Muslims — and here’s a Muslim doing this to others. It just makes me sick.

    Note that he has not said that they are trying to prevent this type of terrorist act from being done “by Muslims”, but has said that they are trying to prevent this type of terrorist from being done “to Muslims”. Despite the preponderance of terrorist acts being committed in the name of Islam Siddiqui is implying that Muslims are under equivalent terrorist attacks by non-Muslims. His implication is demonstrably false and unfortunately in these politically correct times no one calls him on it.

    Finally, this is what the Seattle branch of the terrorist front group CAIR had to say:

    When one of us is attacked, none of us are safe … we refuse to see the violence in the Middle East spill over to our cities and neighborhoods.

    Given CAIR’s ties to terrorists and the Islamic sanctioned use of deception one is justified in carefully parsing CAIR’s statement. The use of the word “us” is vague enough to be interpreted as a veiled threat:

    When a Muslim is attacked, none of us are safe … we refuse to see the violence in the Middle East spill over to our cities and neighborhoods.
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  7. Thrilla-Ali

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    Invalid entry pertaining to the thread but i'll answer anyways

    Historical battle. The next time they attacked and killed muslims, muslims were to react in self defene.

    [2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.


    [9:123] O you who believe, you shall fight the disbelievers who attack you - let them find you stern - and know that GOD is with the righteous.

    ^ Self-defence. Nothing wrong with that.

    [9:4-5] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty with them. GOD loves the righteous. Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

    First and foremost, there's a month in islam where they weren't allowed to war under any condition. During this month, the idolers would attack and kill the muslims, but after the month passed, it was permissible for the muslims to defend themselves and kill the idol worshipers.

    ^ Idol worshipers were known to attack the muslims in saudi arabia, because they were losing followers of their own faith to islam, which meant they were losing power. So the head chiefs called for an attack on muslims and to kill muhammad pbuh. The Idolers kept attacking muslims, and they refused to make peace, so under these conditions muslims were allowed to kill the idolers (during the state of war). After the muslims won the war, the remaining idolers had two choices
    1)either convert to islam (zakat)(salat)(repent) or 2) Become a slave.

    If the opposition [the idolers] converted to islam, they would be let go.

    Reason for holding their captives as slaves?

    Islamic slavery was associated with war in that losers are taken prisoner by the victors to prevent a future conflict, or as a form of penal punishment with the criminals being made slaves to partially compensate the victims.


    They attacked muslims - muslims defended themselves and won the battle - muslims let them go only under the condition that they convert to islam, in order to prevent a future conflict (they may wage war again on muslims). Islam also civilized them, for example, it was a pagan custom to bury infant girls. Ancient arabia flourished when islam came to rule over it, there's outstanding evidence which supports this claim (just check out the ummayads).


    As for the verse in chapter eight

    [8:65] O you prophet, you shall exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty of you who are steadfast, they can defeat two hundred, and a hundred of you can defeat a thousand of those who disbelieved. That is because they are people who do not understand.

    During the growth of Islam, Muslims were always outnumbered, and muslims were never the aggressors, they were always attacked by non-muslims (animist pagans, jews, christians). So the verse means that no matter how much opposition is attacking you, god will give you the ability to take on the bigger army when they wage warfare on you.



    Wrong.

    [3:85] Anyone who accepts other than Submission as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter, he will be with the losers.

    That verse means god will not accept any other religion accept the religion of submission, either on earth or the here after

    As for 5:10

    [5:10] As for those who disbelieve and reject our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell.

    Those reject the revelations and disbelieve are going to hell. And?

    As for 9:28

    [9:28] O you who believe, the idol worshipers are polluted; they shall not be permitted to approach the Sacred Masjid after this year. If you fear loss of income, GOD will shower you with His provisions, in accordance with His will. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

    The muslims conquered makkah once they won the war against the idolers who initiated numerous attacks on them. When the muslim army headed towards makkah, the makkans thought they were dead (which always happened in pre-islamic arabia), but mohammad pbuh never did nothing to them, and let them be. However, he didn't allow the idolers into the sacred mosque which was makkah. Makkah was the home of the idols, and the prophet destroyed them all as abraham pbuh did with his fathers idols. Makkah was already a holy site to muslims, and the idolers did not let them enter it. The reason why it was held sacred is because ishmail pbuh and abraham built the black cube there (the khaba).
    According to the sight of god, the idolers were considered unclean, because of their pagan rituals and so fourth. So pagans were not allowed to worship in the sacred mosque, which was previously a pagan shrine. Thus, makkah came under islamic rule once the muslims won the war, which they were highly outnumbered in. The muslims had to conquer makkah or else the idolers would keep coming back, terrorizing the muslims.
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  8. Thrilla-Ali

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    I think the verse speaks for itself, menaz, you're a satanic liar.

    [2:193] You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.

    14:17 is describing what will happen to the dwellers of hell fire.

    Minimum Requirements For Salvation

    [5:69] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

    I would first like to point out that this verse is history, and also a prophecy (future).

    [9:29] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.

    fight back against the people of the book, If christians attack muslims, and kill them, and restrict them from practicing/professing their faith in their own lands, then muslims have the right to defend themselves and fight back. In order to stop the conquest of the opposition (christians), muslims had to defeat the christians and conquer their territory instead (in order to avoid christians from anteing-up and waging another conquest on muslims). After the muslims completed their conquest and established islamic rule over christian land, every citizen had to pay tax: zakat (4 muslims) and jizya (4 non-muslims). Jizya is the cheaper tax out of the two, and isn't binding on property.

    So fight them back until you conquer their lands (in order to stop them from conquering your land and oppressing you), and establish islamic rule in their lands. This is a way of civilizing a society as well. Christian societies never let muslims and jews practice their religion under christian rule and even kicked out anyone from their country who professed either faith, but islamic societies comfortably let christians and jews practice their religion under islamic rule Ex. muslim spain, muslim jeruselem.


    Or

    If muslims already rule(d) a land, everyone must pay their due taxes, and obey the system. So if some christian and/or jewish rebels repel(led) from paying those taxes, they have either two choices 1)get expelled from the land or 2) pay the tax.
    In the united states, people go to jail for not paying their taxes.


    Capital Punishment:
    When is it Justified? Islams ancient laws


    Not the unbelievers in general, but those who do horrendous crimes, and those who are guilty of killing other human beings unjustifiably. Those who fought against the prophet had killed other human beings [muslims], obviously, this is the natural state of war. So depending on the case, the verdict can be death, amputation, or expulsion from the land. Muslims were the victims of countless attacks by outsiders, and muslims defended themselves accordingly. These attacks were obviously unjust, so when a man from the opposing side was found guilty of murder, he would be prosecuted and brought to justice according to the depth of the crime. However, if he converted to islam and repented, he would be let go, as seen in verse 5:34 because god is merciful

    [5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.

    [5:34] Exempted are those who repent before you overcome them. You should know that GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
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    22:19
    That is the description of hell. Your thesis is that Islam is some evil, extremist religion, however, you never stated anything about judaism and christianity who adhere to the same beliefs? [ex. only way to slavation is through lord jesus] As a matter of fact, a "disbeliever" in islam is arguable [see 5:69] because in the end, only god can judge you (as to whether you go to hell or not). Islam is a monotheistic relgion, however, the descriptions of hell isn't promoting extremism, there's descriptions of hell in the torah as well.

    9:23
    The qu'ran does not prohibit the friendship of a non-believer. That's a blatant lie.


    verse 9:23 means don't rely on your own family to protect/guard you if they're non-muslim. Since religion was held with such high esteem at that time, parents would disown their own child if they converted to the new movement/religion of islam. There's an example of this in the movie "the message - the story of islam"

    Muslims are not to seek the protection of unbelievers.
    Also, Islam encourages self-reliance instead of relying on others [once you reach the appropriate age].

    Read the next verse after.


    [9:23]O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

    [9:24]kindred; the wealth that ye have gained; the commerce in which ye fear a decline: or the dwellings in which ye delight - are dearer to you than Allah, or His Messenger, or the striving in His cause;- then wait until Allah brings about His decision: and Allah guides not the rebellious.

    *9:24 Since the odds are overwhelming against any human being to actually believe and devote the worship to God alone (12:103, 106), it is virtually impossible to see a whole family believe. Thus, most believers have been faced with the question: "Either me or God and His messenger." This question is consistently stated by spouses of the believers, or their parents, their children, etc. Consistently, the believers made the right choice. This is a mandatory test for all believers (29:2).


    3:28
    [3:28] The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. To GOD is the ultimate destiny.

    This verse simply means choose your friends carefully. It means don't befriend hypocrites who talk behind the backs of muslims. This can be confirmed in the next verse:

    [3:29] Say, "Whether you conceal your innermost thought, or declare it, GOD is fully aware thereof." He is fully aware of everything in the heavens and the earth. GOD is Omnipotent.

    This also can be confirmed in 3:18 3:19 3:20
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    Read more of the verses before and after.

    Infinite Blessings From God

    [25:45] Have you not seen how your Lord designed the shadow? If He willed, He could have made it fixed, then we would have designed the sun accordingly.

    [25:46] But we designed it to move slowly.

    [25:47] He is the One who designed the night to be a cover, and for you to sleep and rest. And He made the day a resurrection.

    [25:48] He is the One who sends the winds with good omens of His mercy, and we send down from the sky pure water.

    [25:49] With it, we revive dead lands and provide drink for our creations - multitudes of animals and humans.

    [25:50] We have distributed it among them in exact measure, that they may take heed. But most people insist upon disbelieving.

    [25:51] If we willed, we could have sent to every community a warner.

    [25:52] Therefore, do not obey the disbelievers, and strive against them with this, a great striving.

    [25:53] He is the One who merges the two seas; one is fresh and palatable, while the other is salty and undrinkable. And He separated them with a formidable, inviolable barrier (evaporation).

    It means there's enough proof of gods truth, see 25:50 but people insist on disbelieving. verse 25:52 means don't listen to the unbelievers and prescribe to the truth (islam). Don't listen to the false, and don't follow the ways which are not monotheistic and currupted.

    The verse doesn't mean what your implying. What your implying is that muslims must strive against the unbelievers and force them into islam through the sword, which is a satanic lie.

    As for 66:9

    [66:9] O prophet, struggle against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be stern with them. Their abode is Gehenna, and a miserable destiny.

    Did the prophet muhammad pbuh not struggle against the disbelievers? (who didn't think he was a prophet?). Was he not stern with them and always professed his faith as islam? Did the unbelievers not persecute him and give him a hard time? This was the burden of prophet muhammad pbuh that god gave to him, like how god tested of all prophets (they all faced adversity).

    [47:4] If you encounter (in war) those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks. If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. Had GOD willed, He could have granted you victory, without war. But He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of GOD, He will never put their sacrifice to waste.


    During the state of warfare is it surprising that someone would get his throat slashed?



    No, it teaches that the wives of noah pbuh and lot pbuh were told to 'enter the hell fire with those who deserved it'

    The Myth of Intercession Shattered

    [66:10] GOD cites as examples of those who disbelieved the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were married to two of our righteous servants, but they betrayed them and, consequently, they could not help them at all against GOD. The two of them were told, "Enter the Hell-fire with those who deserved it."



    [2:228] The divorced women shall wait three menstruations (before marrying another man). It is not lawful for them to conceal what GOD creates in their wombs, if they believe in GOD and the Last Day. (In case of pregnancy,) the husband's wishes shall supersede the wife's wishes, if he wants to remarry her. The women have rights, as well as obligations, equitably. Thus, the man's wishes prevail (in case of pregnancy). GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

    The lord balances the responsibilities of both genders. For instance, a woman is allowed not to work, but it's compulsory for a man to work.

    The divorced woman has to wait three menstruations before marrying another man. But if it turns out she infact is pregnant, then she can't marry another man, and if the husband wants he can remarry her. However, if a wife fears cruelty and/or dessertion from the man, she doesn't have to quran 4:128



    If No Will Is Left*

    [4:11] GOD decrees a will for the benefit of your children; the male gets twice the share of the female*. If the inheritors are only women, more than two, they get two-thirds of what is bequeathed. If only one daughter is left, she gets one-half. The parents of the deceased get one-sixth of the inheritance each, if the deceased has left any children. If he left no children, and his parents are the only inheritors, the mother gets one-third. If he has siblings, then the mother gets one-sixth. All this, after fulfilling any will the deceased has left, and after paying off all debts. When it comes to your parents and your children, you do not know which of them is really the best to you and the most beneficial. This is GOD's law. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

    *4:11 Generally, the son is responsible for a family, while the daughter is taken care of by a husband. However, the Quran recommends in 2:180 that a will shall be left to conform with the specific circumstances of the deceased. For example, if the son is
    rich and the daughter is poor, one may leave a will giving the daughter everything, or twice as much as the son.


    As for 2:282 I already explained this a long time ago.

    Two women take the place of one man because one woman can remind the other not to be biased. Also, when being summoned as a witness, two people of each gender have to be present. If one man failed to appear or can't be found, two women must take his place and vice versa. Generally, men were more ideal witnesses during this era because they were more experienced in financial transactions.
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    I'd like to point out to everyone that menaz is relying on a bias website to challenge me on the qu'ran instead of having a copy of the quran and doing the job himself

    http://www.sullivan-county.com/x/sina.htm - website


    So what if Hamas is doing that? Who else stands up to the terrorist state of Israel? Hamas does not carry out suicide attacks, those are independent attacks being committed by war-stricken civilians who have no more hope left, because their families have been killed by the IDF (their homes are now war zones). All those claims that Hamas targets civilians are just as preposterous as saying Hezbollah target civilians, that's bs. For the real truth, george galloway is the man

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

    Couldn't have said it better myself.


    Besides, how is this improving your argument that islam promotes the harming of civilians and unjustifiable acts? You've been debunked, stuck in the trunk, and thrown away like junk! Other peoples actions don't define a doctrine, the doctrine [itself] defines what it is.
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    Correction, You can't say anything for yourself. You lack critical thinking all together. You should honestly, Shut the fuck up at this point. You're coming off looking like a bafoon. Of course I know you've always been a bafoon. Most know this about you too. however, I've always Known 100% you were a fake, lair, and complete dolt.

    LOL@ BIAS WEBSITE. LOL! Typical rethoric.
    Stop talking about your own display of disinfromation like that.
    People can read and make up their own minds. That is the
    difference between us, I don't have to lie, fear-monger, play on false sympathies, or try to convince them, I just explain the true facts to them. If They choose to bury their heads in the sand that's their decision. See, it's called freedom of speech, And I will state the facts ustilzing my freedom of speech to explain Islam correctly. You're a very uneducated and naive person thrilla.


    I personally wrote out a manifesto on ISREAL. How does isreal even come up? LOL! it's not even close to an Ideological example it's just a Deversionary tactic away from discussing the 400 pound gorilla in the room, islam. you're dumb! You keep digging a hole for yourself deeper and deeper saying bullshit like hezbollah and Hamas are not the terrorist.

    You're a scatter brain and a lying muslim Sympathizer.

    Allow me to link you...

    Did you really just ask that question? LMAO! DEAD!
    You litterally know nothing about Islam. LOL!

    You're a nitwit. I've always known it. I knew that is why you can't debate.
    It's ISLAM stupid. Nothing to promote but the religion. Debunked? You haven't debunked anything. LOL! You call saying the words debunked a fact? LOL! more like propagandizing a factoid. But hey, Propaganda is your nature.

    Have you been spending your criminal time waiting for me to post all night?
    LMAO! LOSER! Psychological warefare is a bitch isn't?

    I have nothing to fear but fear itself.


    I don't fear muslims.
    I don't fear, what people will think.
    I am a REVOLUTIONARY IDEA, trying to better the islamic religion, an idea that can't die. I actually care more about helping Islam than you do. Which is why I am being truthful about the religon. Therefore, I can help refomer it for the better.

    I'm finally pulling the wool off peoples eyes. Nolonger will they fear politically-correct critism for speaking the truth. Nolonger will Apostate muslims be ridiculed and murdered. The people will follow my leads and go educate themselves on Islam, And see it for what It really is... A LYING AUTHORITATIVE TOTALITARIAN IDEOLOGY THAT FORCES OTHERS INTO SUBMITION! I will never submit to that endangering parochialist mind-set. Or any religious mind-set for that matter. In my real life, I do speak my mind contrary to what you believe. Not just behind a screen talking at a moron such as yourself. I Will reform ISLAM for the better one person at a time. You however, are Just a character playing his part.


    VIVA REVOLUTION!

    galloway the man? hardly! more like Nationalist UK joke! LOL! I love how you express your love for him, You express it like you're a retarded little boy who can't read, so he must foolishly tag along with the mindless shill Galloway who has a horrible past record. I would link you to the theard where I pulled Galloways shill card, but Someone has erased the threads.
    HAHAHAHHAHA! SOMEONE IS HARD AT WORK deleting my threads of free-speech!!!

    Infact since my threads are being erased fuck this site.
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    The link to my Original manifesto has been oddly erased. But luckly I keept a back up of my manifesto!

    I also think his opinion is total bullshit, His reply was the Typical subjective moralist Evaluation on political current events. What he fails to mention is the facts. Fact, Condoleeza rice was holding out for a strong bilateral and multilateral resolution agreement which would keep the peace between the two states permanently.He also failed to provide why the infrastructure was targeted. Simple, It was targeted so Iran couldn't fly in, nor drive in, or support hezbollah in anyway shape or form no longer. It was also targeted becuase since Hezbollah took over the southern boarder of lebanon from the israeli occupation in 2000, which is when israel completely withdrawed, hezbollah had built up bunkers inside the infrastruture, civilians homes, and stocked it all with mid to short rang katyusha missiles. Moreover, hezbollah utilized Drones intact with laser guided missiles which israel did happen to destory during this conflict. Plus, hezbollah had radar equipment/systems in the north part of lebanon which were utilized to target missiles at Israeli ships and blow them up. How did Hezbollah accomplished this? Easy, through Iranian funding, intelligence and weaponary. Lastly, How can tech compare the 9/11 terrorism polt on americans to collateral damage in this conflict? Simple, by stating it doesn't matter whether it was a reprisal or a preemptive. Was it not "Tech" who said "BUSH BLEW UP THE TOWERS?" So here we can see the subjective moralist at work with a backtracking tactic to promote his bias view. You should also remember america was at war with NO middle eastern countries at the time of 9/11. You should also note, al-qaeda is a terrorist group who attacked innocent people deliberately and not preemptively. Plus, when fighters lunch a preemptive strike its on the army not on the citizens.

    Now you're probably saying to yourselfs, didn't israel attack civilians deliberately? The answer is, NO! Israel was attacked first by hezbollah. Israel didn't go bombing citizens on purpose, Infact Israel gave out leaflets of warning for people to leave or get in bomb shelters, These leaflets were written in arabic and among other languages. Israel's mission was to get its two soilders back, destory hezbollahs missiles, bunkers within the infrastructure, and push hezbollah away from the southern boarder. Israel didn't ask for this the hezbollah provacation did. And Lastly, Hezbollah are the ones who used civilians as human shields, hezbollah are the ones who posed as civilians and used civilian homes as bases to fight the IDF.
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    Incorrect. Actually The balfour declaration which is infact refered to as the Mandate for Palestine never considered argentina as a homeland for the jews. Becuase in July 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain who indeed did reconstitute that palestine is infact the national homeland for jews. Moreover, the "mandate for palestine" which is apart of the Balfour Declaration clearly referred to, "the historical connections of the Jewish people with Palestine" Understand tech, the common misconception is the JEWS were exiled by the romans in 70 C.E., But the historical FACT is the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. In other words they NEVER LEFT, Infact More than 10,000 jews lived throughout what is now today israel, way before the 1870 zionist diaspora. What we have in that region is ANTI-SEMITISM... Something you should strongly be against.

    Not "NOW" israel territory, but what has "ALWAYS BEEN" israel territory... Past & persent speaking of course. You distort history too much. The fact is it wasn't only an incursion it was the kidnapping of two and the murder of eight others. Hezbollah preplaned this for months utilizing underground tunnels to pull it off, Then escaped back into lebanon without the UN noticing, and without the lebanon governement knowing, or not caring, or being to oppressed to tell hezbollah other wise.

    YES hezbollah's iranian funding helps out, But the fact is it's illegal to have control of a state within a state. Hezbollah is basically a proxy-strong-arm for IRAN which means lebanon is non-sovereign state. So, if you think lebanon controls that government after what you just said... Then wow, you really don't have a factual clue. Seems to me it's Hezbollah and Iran who cuased the destruction of the entire nation of lebanon. Plus, who are you to judge what is rationale? Are you the omniscient one? NO! We're you in israel's situation fighting the conflict? NO! Then how can you possibly know what is rationale and what is irrationale? You can't, just like I can't about hezbollah's incursion... I can say it's wrong and I disagree, but too rationalize the whole situation biasly is to become a subjective moralist.
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    Student of history my left foot. The Honesty is You're insinuating, Misinforming, and assuming ways america & israel are alike based on Misinformed information and your need to prove Mrs. clinton right in a mocking and satire way. The historical facts are, Israel is not the bastard child of the british empire, Becuase Israel has always been the jews rightful national home. The white jewish-diaspora came with the idealism of city-dwelling Jews who'd strive to become farmers and laborers and to live by their own work, They did not come in the name of colonialism.

    Infact British historian Paul Johnson noted: "Zionists were hardly tools of imperialists given the powers general opposition to their cause. Everywhere in the West, the foreign offices, defense ministries and big business were against the Zionists." Infact, Emir Faisal the Saudi Arabia born nationalist, who was a representative for the city of jeddah for the ottoman parliament said, He saw the zionist movement as a true companion to the arab nationalist movement fighting against Imperialism.

    Infact, Emir Faisal wrote this:"The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement... We will wish the Jews a hearty welcome home.... We are working together for a reformed and revised Near East and our two movements complete one another. The Jewish movement is nationalist and not imperialist. And there is room in Syria for us both. Indeed, I think that neither can be a real success without the other"

    Infact, Martin Buber a member of the Third Zionist Congress who agreed with arab rights in palestine and in a jewish-arab joint-nation wrote: "Our settlers do not come here as do the colonists from the Occident to have natives do their work for them; they themselves set their shoulders to the plow and they spend their strength and their blood to make the land fruitful. But it is not only for ourselves that we desire its fertility. The Jewish farmers have begun to teach their brothers, the Arab farmers, to cultivate the land more intensively; we desire to teach them further: together with them we want to cultivate the land -- to 'serve' it, as the Hebrew has it. The more fertile this soil becomes, the more space there will be for us and for them. We have no desire to dispossess them: we want to live with them. We do not want to dominate them: we want to serve with them....."

    further more, In the 1940's the jewish underground movements engaged in a anti-colonial war against briton. Meanwhile the arabs are more concerned with fighting jews rather then discharging the British imperialists. Hussein-Mcmahon Correspondence controvery which supposedly screwed the Arabs out of palestinian independence and the formalization of a sovereign state, Mr. MacMahon's explains:"I feel it my duty to state, and I do so definitely and emphatically, that it was not intended by me in giving this pledge to King Hussein to include Palestine in the area in which Arab independence was promised. I also had every reason to believe at the time that the fact that Palestine was not included in my pledge was well understood by King Hussein"

    This is history and history is factually stating that not only did the ZIONIST JEWS have nothing to do with it or with imperialism in totality, but that also Britian probably didn't screw the arabs out of palestian, but rather contrary to the palestinian assumption, it was never offered in the first palce. Moreover, Arabs probably misconstrued these texts due to their vast illiteracy which is probably the reason for arabs not comprehending the british letters, which have famously come to be known as the Hussein-Mcmahon Correspondence. The FACT IS, palestiane was never mentioned.Infact, Israel was a safe haven for all JEWS form different countries to different colors.
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    Wrong, The blacks arrived as a result of dramatic rescue operations prompted by civil war and famine in Ethiopia, within the context of Israel's national mission to gather Diaspora Jews from all over the world and bring them to the Jewish homeland. Infact 19,000 people arrived in Israel from Ethiopia in a period of just 24 hours. The first was prepared in 1985, a year after the arrival of the first wave of immigrants; the second simply updated the first in response to the second wave of immigration from Ethiopia in 1991. The first Master Plan contained an elaborate and detailed programme. It covered issues of education, housing, practical organisation, and employment, together with policy guidelines regarding specific groups including lone-parent families, women, and youths. Like earlier absorption policies, it adopted a procedural approach, assuming that the immigrants were broadly similar to the existing majority population of Israel. The Plans were, no doubt, formulated with the best of intentions and a firm belief in the underlying principles of absorption. As for Ethiopian Jews fighting for israel, of course they did/do. But that wasn't why the Ethiopian absorption into israel was carried-out... For I just did explained to you the actual fact reasons.

    israel had no corporations. I explained the zionist history to you... they were nationalist not colonialist. I swear, you read the protocols of zion religiously!

    Have not the blacks made these claims in america?
    Did not che guevara make these claims in cuba?
    Did not mao tse-tung make these claims in china?

    I think we can both agree alot of minorities in different countries have claimed those two specific labels. So basically without knowing so, you just put AMERICA & ISRAEL in BOXES. Boxes which are not generalizing but which are very biasly specific. How historically inaccurate of you.

    That would have to go for the PALESTINIANS a well. You can't be bias once you've claimed to be historically enlightened.

    As I said before, there was 10,000 JEWS there before the european jewish-diaspora, Who all by the way became apart of Israel, the land of zion. So again your false claims on history and your distorting facts have yet once again been made into a anti-semitic rethoric rant. I Have to call a spade a spade when the facts your preaching, presenting, don't accumulate to honesty.

    Who's arrogance? Cerntainly not Israels or the jews of israel, Who by the way didn't do the palestinians like the americans did the native americans. Infact, I shall provide one last piece of history to solidify the honest truth to your distorted facts filled with notions of anti-semitism. In 1947, The 1947 UN partition plan was offered to both jews and arabs to make both of them offical states... The jews accept it, However, the arabs did not. Thus, starting the arab-israel conflict/civil-war, Inwhich israel came out victoriously winning its independants, and became an offical state all before the british mandate's expiration.

    You can question israel without a doubt, But you didn't question it. You tried to make factual historical statements and pass them off as honesty. When the FACT is, I have rebuked everything you've claimed too with complete factual, historical, accuracy.

    I agree with most of this historical retrospect, But the myth of cleansing the black race by simplely mixing WHITE & BLACK is misinformed ignorance, Becuase a mixed baby is still going to be black no matter what, (One-drop theory). And depending on whether or not the melanin-gene is the more dominant gene will determain the babies phenotype, genotype. If the melanin dominant, Then the child will look more BLACK, though he is still white, his outward apprence will be BLACK, but in contrast he is still a mulatto. The FACT is, What you just said was untrue and such a mind process of segregated thought. It's like saying: look how tiger woods mother racially tried cleansing the black out of him by fucking his black father. Tigers mother is indeed ASIAN.

    Yes, I agree black women were raped by white men. Yes, I agree Blacks today don't know their last names becuase of slavery. Yes, black slavery was a form of holocuast in america.

    You have to see the whole spectrum though, Question... Did Black slaves rape white women during slavery? There could be a vice versa there, Though I wouldn't totally mind if they had... Given the fact whites had a legal right to rape black women back during slavery.

    Why don't you bring up the FACTS... black tribes sold their own black people into american slavery. And that Slavery has always been, since the very being of man written and documented right there in the bible and quran for all eyes to see. But it is also historically factual of me to bestow upon you that slaves back then were indeed treated much better then they were treated in the north atlantic slave trade. But also keep in mind the historical facts... the north atlantic slave trade was a copy/study of the Arabian and Persian slave trade along East Africa. You should also historically remember this was NOT a race issue(until later on)...Infact the reason blacks were choosen for european slavery is becuase they were HARDER WORKERS than the indains and They were more resistant to European diseases than the indains were, Plus they could handle the NEW WORLDS climate & diseases which than the new europeans could not. BLACKS were indeed one of the major WORKFORCES of america.
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    When hasn't religious history been burned in the name of Blasphemy to cover up the truth? For example the library of Alexandria was burnt down or destoried by the Muslim conquest in 642 AD. So, you see, subjective moralism is not the key for open assault onto others, becuase every culture/race has it's evils. You just tend to fixate on the WHITE ONES. Which is fine with me, But at least try to show some signs of a non-bias opinion while utilizing history to make your points. Lets be honest alot of important papyrus scrolls, and thousands upon thousands of individual works will continue to be forever lost do to human stupidity. Alexanders filled vault of acient knowledge, his culture, was all destoried and replaced under islam. That's religion throughout history for you, It can be a malicious objective onto anybodies history & culture.

    One should also recall the damage done to the Parthenon by Turkish Muslim troops, or to the Sphinx by generations of Muslim Arabs in Egypt, or to damage to the monuments of classical antiquity or left by other pre-Islamic civilizations, all of which are, in the Muslim view, worthless, part of a general Jahiliyya, and not to be treated with respect or interest.

    America gives plenty of jobs to latinos, Sure they get paid cheap labor, but then again it's better payment than they would recieve in mexico, which is why latinos come to democratic america, But they're also illegal so remember that. And corporations (NOT JUST AMERICAN ONES) are all exploiting, franchising, bastards. FACT IS, America has done more today for your people than their own countries have done for them. America has given illegals countless open-boarder passings for years now. Not to mention, Our American government and us Americans give alot to third world poverities through Donations; Through American governement funding to poorer nations, various humantarian aid to poorer nations, american job opertunities to immigrants and illegals, plus social sercurity which illegals aren't allowed to collect but still do anyway. America even wipes poorer countries debts clean, But America is not SUPERMAN... humans infact run it, So curruption is inevitable. Espeically when that popular captialist nation circularizes its state around materialism. There has been so many cases where the aid & funding from america was indeed sent to impoverished countries like africa, but got intercepted by the third world totalitarian governments firstly and was not distributed to its own people. These totalitarians even Knock down their own peoples homes and bussinesses whenever they feel like it, Unlike Israel who uses their bulldozers to protect themselves, only utilizing them in a time of conflict. Conflicts which are provocated firstly by arabian-palestinians.


    Well, your not exactly a student of history, So I would calm down on all that noise. You are however a cliff-note reader of history, Which makes this debate somewhat intellectually stimulating.

    I think I should also point out that the portuguese were a admixture culturally and racially. Wasn't just the WHITE MAN as the school system would have you believe. And lot of people died as you've stated, You actaully got this part of history accurate. I agree it was a genocide, But I hope & pray you don't deny the fact that the jewish holocuast was indeed real and did infact claim 6 million jewish lifes during WW2. To say other wise, would be a denial of historical fact and Show that you have a Bias, lying, viewpoint.

    The Arabs & romans have ruled over the jews for centuries, ever since rome expelled the jews from their home land of israel in 70 BCE. Inwhich afterwards rome changed the name of the judah land to Palestina-syria inorder to cut all jewish ties to the land. Now look how arabs treat Israelis, look how arab bias media shylocks israelis. Look how arabs are the biggest anti-semitics walking on two legs, did you even comprehend how the Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denied the holocuast and then stated: "Israel should be wiped off the face of the map." The honesty is through the explanation of history and religion both which have infact stated quite clearly that everyones been controlled or enslaved by some other culture, race, social status, religion, or ethnicity throughout the origins of history & religion. These types of actions are a recurring human cycle analogous to the siddhartha teaching, wouldn't you agree?
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    Your analysis is mixxed up and inaccurate yet you label our society as the primitive society? Let me break it down for you... OUR society is all for israel's and palestines existance... OUR society and jews themselves made possible israel's right to exist and they still do to this very today... and Both still believe in palestine existance too. While an arab of past-time like Emir Faisal of Saudi Arabia believed in israels right to exist alot of Arab nations of the past did not, and the persent arab nations to this very day still do not believe israel has a right to exist. So calling OUR SOCIETY the primitive society is a pseudo-opinion, When the fact is every arab nation including Jordan & egypt would love to see israel wiped of the face of the map.

    White people shouldn't have to either. What you said is like saying Blacks, arabs, and asians are never going to leave the cacausoid lands of europe no matter what and return back to where they came from. You're logic shouldn't be who has a RIGHT to the land anymore, it should be how can we make diversity work. Further more, looking at history one should note: The land which became america's wasn't stolen... It was more like intelligent thinking over backwards thinking, To speak more direct: Europeans outsmarted the indians by selling them beads for land, and when that didn't work any longer and the relationship between the indians and the white man became violant, Europeans conquered them and the land. The word Stolen doesn't do this situation justice, becuase the indians did indeed fight to keep their land they just couldn't win so they lost it. To say otherwise doesn't make you a student of history... It makes you the norm thinker and complete distorter of historical events. Europeans "Confiscated" the land would be more accurate.

    Israel does not oppress arab nations. The Arab nations opress their own people. 10,000 Original hebrews helped create israel, So it wasn't just a European jew idea... it was a JEWISH AND HEBREW Ideal. Though the European jews receive most the recognition.

    Of course palestine has a right to exist, But they can not exist as a sovereign nation while the government is filled with terrorists like Hamas and hezbollah. The oslo accords & geneva accords states quite clearly: If palestine is ever to become a state they must stop thier provacation of bombs on israel, the PA must also get rit of terrorism as a tactic and the groupes of terrorist which are apart of the palestinian government, and that palestine must recognize israel as a state, yet PALESTINE refuses to recognize israel as a state... All these reasons are why palestine is not a state now. Though I do give credit to Mahmoud Abbas for trying to stop the terrorism in his government, Though none of the terrorist groups such as hamas, which are apart of the palestinian government, will ever stop until israel is wiped off the face of the map. Abbas did agree to the referendum on a peace plan which would acknowledge israel's right to exist and prehaps make palestine a state, though hamas still does not agree with abbas's plan or want to see israel have a right to exist.

    I'm so tired of politically correct people claiming palestine is not a terrorist-state. How is it not a terrorist state? when most the population is electing terrorist groups to be apart of its government. The leader-ship is abbas and the PA, not hamas, abunch of thugs and terrorist. Fighting for survival? that is a cute spin to put on the situation, but the facts are palestines-hamas are creating the problems by trying to distory israel, a nation which has not attacked palestine first. Rather israel is a nation which retaliates to the provacations cuased by the terrorsit-filled-palestinian-government. America's government talks of building a democracy which excludes terrorism... but if that nation is a strong-hold for terrorism and those people are being preached to by terrorists who utilize the tool of propaganda day in and day out, red herring, their own peoples thought processes, then of course these terrorist groups are going to create within civilians a terrorist-thought-process which will easily get them elected into the palestinian government. Not to mention, the fact that alot of muslims are illiterate.

    Please, Like IRAN is not a dictatorship? Oh And Pakistan is not a ALLY, though they have however been designated as a Major non-NATO ally. You also forgot about or for some reason decided to exclude egypt.

    Not all of them are colitions as I have pointed out, besides what is wrong with america having peaceful nations? Some were totalitarian regimes, but just last year Saudi Arabia held its first ever elections. And as I have explained throughout this thread ISRAEL is far from totalitarianism infact their government is democracy. Kuwait in 2006 held elections and throw Emir Saad al-Abdullah al-Sabah from power. Jordan held elections in 2003 and even had female members which took part in the special electoral college, But I agree jordan's parties aren't that well noticed in the government -- Nevertheless, elections are held. The UAE in 2005 took their first steps into a democratic government by spliting in half the federal national council for some to be electioned while the other half appointed by rulers. You have to understand... Democracy is in the middle east is in its pregnancy at least these nations are willing to give it a go. While the other arabs nations enjoy their totalitarian rule over their people. Hell, it took america's democracy two hundred sum years to formulate, So a democracy conclusion for middle-eastern people who are still living by islamic-laws isn't just going to magically or instantanously happen.

    The Taliban doesn't even allow their woman to work in public places, they do allow them to work in medical positions, but they're only allowed to treat other woman. The Taliban also doesn't allow women to work if they have childern, and all the work done in the house is by the male and to reject this duty is haram. The taliban also throws acid in the faces of women who do not wear Burqas. The taliban is much worse... They will summary execute anyone, non-muslim, or infact muslim, they hold no elections, and torture just about everybody they capture.
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    The arab people have been conquers as well as conquered or do you exclude the Ottoman Empire which ruled over south-eastern Europe to the Caucasus? In the Islam nation do you honestly believe the history of america is told or is it Islams distortied history with america which is told? Unlike schools in islam, We have schools here which will allow people to further study the hisotry of arabs and how they helped create the number systems we use today and how they contributed to science. What about Abraham Lempel & Jacob Ziv two israeli jews who created lossless LZ77 compression algorithm? they aren't generally mentioned... Doesn't mean their mark in history is being rubbed out.

    Everyone living in america who is educated and loves all history knows that mathematics started in ancient Egypt around 1300-1200 BC( this is taught in our schools). That is historical fact, But when we are talking about current mathematics and the people who we thought really evolved it names like Albert einstein are mentioned. This is not a WHITE AND NON-WHITE issue, it's about not knowing until it was too late, It wasn't known until recently that four centuries earlier islamic/arabic mathematicians came up with the new concepts of math that our European mathematicians did in the sixteenth century. Which makes Time-ignorant not americans bias evil people. In america you are allowed to study any type of mathematics from any century you please, But the fact is, Alot of average people don't, though alot of professors who teach in our colleges have studied the different forms of mathematics throughout the centuries and do infact tell american-students where the roots of mathematics comes from. Of course to recieve that knowledge depends on the fact; do you even really care to know. Moreover, Most the mathematics were written by non-Arab scholars who were Persians.

    Of course it was more improved than the egyptians math, thats who arabs borrowed their concepts from then mathematically eleborated onward. The egyptians created math back in Circa 3100 BC. So aren't muslims trying to wash-out egyptians complex mathemathics? Especially when in 2,000 BC the egyptians cited approximations for pi and square roots.

    No that is your bias opinion viewing, I tend to think of it as societies borrowing from other societies to help teach their people. Regardless of WHO actually created mathemathics, Isn't the most important thing that PEOPLE learn these complex mathematics first? Yeah, I think so.

    Actually I think it has lot to do with religion-sanctity, Islam-purity, and a struggle for absolut power. After all, The sunni mahdi & the shia mahdi, both want to purify the world into a perfect islamic place before the Yaum al-Qiyamah, Only difference sunnis want to do it for jesus and shias want to do it for the Twelfth Imam.

    Don't forget, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini utilized islamic religion as a powerful tool to coup the Shah of Iran, therefore creating his/islams powerful religious rule over all.

    But I do agree with you though,you did contradict yourself by saying muslisms rule for power has nothing to do with religion or islam purity... When infact it all ties into one... And now they hope to expand it globally again.
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    Yes, you understand, Yet there is always a "BUT" all subjective moralist who want to rebel just to rebel have a "BUT". Now you're repeating yourself in this rant. Well ok, I already explained in the very first paragraph why the infrastructure had to be destoried. Obviously you've never been in a WAR situation or any kind of BATTLE in your life. So now, You're gonna play on peoples rationale to drive your point home... Well do your wrost or in this case your best. Moreover, I have a BUT of my own... You should note, that the IDF was not well trained for this combatant situation. You should also note, the IDF had terrible intelligence operators which embarrassingly enough happened to target IDF rockets at other IDF positions. Therefore, Israeli troops were targeting and shooting missiles accidently at other Israeli positions inside of lebanon. You should lastly note, The IDF commando-troops ran out of clean water while inside lebanon having to either take canteens off hezbollah soilders or throw chlorine tablets into dirty water just to stay hydrated so they wouldn't faint or pass-out.

    Now you want to limit freedom of speech, becuase some people have a different political view than yours? or becuase they are Supposed bigots & violent? Alot the lyrics in your music are violent. Most the rethoric you've spoken could be considered anti-smetic or racist. And aren't you a Radical who is muslim?

    I agree a woman should make her own choice, But you can't condemn or rebuke someones right to free speech just becuase you disagree with them...You sound down right dictatorish. I don't see anyone saying you can't say the things you want to say.


    Depends on the situation. If Syra and Iran according to UN resolution 1559 aren't suppose to be suppling hezbollah with missiles or any kind of fire-arms at all... and if hezbollah never told lebanon or never cared what lebanon thought about their kidnapping plans...Then that should tell you hezbollah is in control of the lebanon government and that "lebanon" is nothing more than a paper government under the control of hezbollah, the proxy-terrorist group which belongs to IRAN & SYRIA and runs lebanon under IRAN & SYRIA puppeteering. Hezbollah has already started threating the lebanonese government again, WHY? becuase they want complete control.

    Hezbollah conducts SIGINT operations on israel IDF communication, Most the SIGINT infromation comes from IRAN. Hezbollah has Preventive Security operations, which is counter-intelligence programme. Hezbollah, also
    has a unit labled "Unit 1800" which aids palestinians engaged in warfare,
    this uint provides direction, funding, weapons, and of course bomb-building instructions. Hezbollah pioneered suicide bombing, which narsallah praised
    at the "battle of jenin." Hezbollah has drones which carry laser guided missiles, hezbollah has anti-tank & anti-aircraft rockets, an abundance of long/mid/ & short range katyusha rockets, vast & many differentiations of rifles and guns, not to mention... night vision goggles and the unconventional tactic of dressing like IDF soilders. Moreover, they use tunnels and peoples homes to lunch attacks against the IDF and use civilians as human sheilds(which is against the geneva conventions rules of combat)


    Both sides did not allow aid, But... Israel did give a 48 hour holt on attacks during the 34 days of fighting to allow a corridor of aid. Israel dropped pleanty of leaflets addressed to the people of lebanon in all languages to get out or into bomb shelters.The People of lebanon were warned, plus the lack of common sense played a huge factor as well. Hezbollah... On March 28, 2006... fired a Katyusha rocket from the Gaza Strip into the nation of Israel. The missiles stuck in northern Israel. And how about israels infrastructure, The Eilat-Ashkelon Pipeline and the Rottenberg Power Station have both been bombed numerous times by qassam missiles.

    Israel has been a memeber of the nuclear club for years, and during that time Israel has never used, tested, or even threatened to attack with nuclear weapons. Israel whats to create a nuclear free-zone throughout the whole middle east. The Facts are, Hamas & Hezbollah's ideaologies were already there in lebanon and palestine before israel counter-attacked them. Hating & resenting jews is apart of the palestinians and lebanonese teachings, The hatred is taught in kids school books, on tv stations, in comics-books, in cartoons, and through quran distortion by which muslim-clergies teach the young children distorted quran translations that label jews and christians as apes and pigs.

    Hamas quote - "Allah did not mete out the punishment of transformation on any nation except the Jews. The significance of it is actual change in the appearance of the Jew and perfect transformation from human to bestial condition... from human appearance to the form of genuine apes, pigs, mice, and lizards..."

    They breed and build their own hate, You don't just come-out into this world hating you're taught hate. And if the parents, clergies, and radical terrorist want to distort the views and facts of WHY the IDF counter-attacked as it did... then THEY are responsible for breeding the CONTINUING HATRED not ISRAEL.
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