MMA Corner 9: Nick Diaz, Anderson Silva & More!

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  1. LungZzZ

    LungZzZ Well-Known Member

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    LETS start out in a corner that ISN'T exactly MMA...Badr Hari, esteemed Kick-Boxer and known 'Bad-Body' is seemingly being charged with attempted Man-Slaughter, after someone who I'll call "Victim" was beaten by three men, violently, the climax being that one of the three men was identified by the man as Badr, who then snapped his ankle in half with a well placed stomp (apparently Hari really was training MMA).
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    Someone needs to put this guy in jail man...It's a fucking joke letting a basket case like this fight. He needs a prison cell never mind a gym mat.
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    In other news, Nick Diaz has reportedly announced his "UN-Retirement", boldly claiming he wants Anderson Silva next. Cesar Gracie had this to say on behalf of his student:
    Nick Diaz shoudln't give up on GSP so fast...Anyways, Diaz is just one of those fat smelly babies no one likes, aka that kid that wants something only because you have it...Now he wants to switch divisions? Settle down young man and finish a UFC fight. Something I believe GSP has more of in the UFC than Diaz.
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    LASTLY, Anderson Silva's management has stated they aren't happy with the contenders out there currently (in the UFC) @ Middleweight. It isn't that they are bad, it's more marketability and consequence.
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    What does Anderson really have to earn? If he Knocks you out will you just be forgotten or have you built a dynasty like he has? Ed Soares, Silva's manager, had this to say on his fighters current situation:
    I have to agree with Ed here, and that probably won't happen very often. Guys like Chris Weidman have that immediate title-shot demeanor, destroying named opponents left and right, but the kid is still young. With a little more growth he could be something more than a highlight reel KO for Silva. He still hasn't faced that 2's and 3's of the Middleweight division. Boestch as well, looks tremendous on paper, but he just now took down his first real competition at middleweight, with Yushin and Hector. HE HAS earned a TOP LEVEL opponent with that, BUT not a title shot, lets keep in mind both Yushin and Hector were scheduled to fight an entirely different fighter beforehand.

    Luke Rockhold, and more importantly Georges, provide a belt, and a fan-following with it. If your a champ in either Strikeforce or the UFC, people believe in you, and you have started some sort of legacy, be it big or small. YOU need to have something like THAT to put up against Silva at this point. That or a win streak that is knocking on the champions door.


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  2. Jay Bee

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    tbh I thought if lombard proved himself at the ufc then he should fight silva just bcuz of his following

    besides that silva has nothing to prove. He should retire or fight gsp
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  3. LungZzZ

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    I'm with you there, but more because of the Record than the following. EITHER way, Hector missed out BIG TIME with that boring performance...I bet FOX is just happy they lucked out and didn't have him on their card :p. NAW even speaking that lowly of Hector, I think he has a good chance in the UFC...HE REALLY didn't seem like himself but he did look better than Tim win or loose.
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    Can't cosign this as watching Anderson fight is to sick. I think a rematch with Hendo is still on the table too. Maybe if he doesn't want to retire after losing to Jones, you could put Hendo up in a rematch against someone like Rich (who hopefully has beaten one or two people in that time) for a #1 contender bout @ Middleweight. Hendo should win and than the rematch looks more deserved (coming off a loss to Jones won't be the best selling point).

    GSP is the best option but the man seems like he doesn't want the fight, so that is that. Nick Diaz would be fun to watch but I really don't think he's earned it, no where CLOSE to where he needs to be mentally.
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  4. Jay Bee

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    diaz fighting silva isnt even an option. But I still wanna see him fight again
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  5. Resilient.

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    Nick Diaz stands no chance against Silva. Publicity stunt?
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  6. LungZzZ

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    Couldn't agree with you more here. I was surprised Diaz's crying for GSP worked the first time, but the fact the WW division was boring at the time made it make sense. That is still a fight I'm hyped for believe it or not (GSP vs Diaz), but the fact that Diaz has seemed to given up on it sickens me.

    We talking Diaz or Anderson here? I'm going to assume Diaz, and if so, I agree...The welterweight division is still stacked and Diaz hasn't been in the UFC for YEARS. He has fought ONE welterweight since his return, so THERE are LOTS of options out there. Martin Kampman, Thiago Alves and Jake Ellenberger are all opponents I wouldn't mind seeing him have a go at.
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  7. LungZzZ

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    No, history repeating itself. If you smoke a cigarette Monday, you will probably do it Tuesday. If you call out the best at WW for a big payday, you will probably do it once you hear Anderson is being paid the most.

    Diaz is a little too money hungry for me at this point. I really want to see who the UFC gives him; if they cater to Nick and give him a big name, or give him a fresh ladder, middle of the road opponent like I think he deserves (not as punishment but as any person should do after they lose a fight).
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    Corner Continued: Machida/Rockhold and More

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    Lyoto Machida, 34 year old 1-time UFC LHW Champ, had this to say upon hearing Shogun's #1 Contenders bout:
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    I honestly feel if Lyoto and Shogun win here, that almost sets up a perfect #1 contenders bout, and REMATCH fight, in a mini-tournament type deal here on FOX. STILL, maybe with Dana saying Shogun vs Vera is for the #1 spot, he expects Rua to win in the main event, and Bader to win in the Co.

    In other news, one of the most famed Lightweight fighters fighting in MMA not under a UFC contract, Eddie Alvarez, has gotten word on who his last opponent in Bellator will be, before his contract is up.
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    Alvarez is 28 years old, still in his prime, and knock, knock knocking on the UFC's door. He has amassed an impressive 23-3 record, with only 3 of his fights going the distance. His lone losses came to Strikeforce standout Nick Thompson, Submission specialist Shinya Aoki, and Bellator Lightweight Champion Michael Chandler (who won the belt off Eddie). I think it is fair to say he has earned his spot in the UFC, especially after avenging his loss to Shinya this past April. Loosing to his announced opponent though, could throw a wrench in these plans.
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    October 12th, Bellator 76: Eddie Alvarez vs. Patricky "Pitbull" Freire
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    Patricky "Pitbull" Freire is a Brazilian Mixed Martial Artist, boasting a 10-3 record. After flying through the Bellator Lightweight Tournament in 2011 (well most of it), Pitbull gained a lot of fame for his gut-wrenching finishes. He would eventually lose in the Tournament finale however to future Bellator Lightweight Champ, Michael Chandler. His most notable victory is against Kurt Pellegrino, whom he finished via strikes in Round 1.

    Lastly, Luke Rockhold, the Strikeforce Middleweight Champion, had a few choice words for Tim Boestch, and the rest of the Middleweight division:
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    I like Luke's confidence, and the fact that he doesn't seem half as much a cry-baby as the Strikeforce Lightweight Champ does. He realizes he is a part of Show-Time, and he still needs to grow. Though I don't agree with him on the 'able to beat Anderson' part, I think if he sticks with his shit and focuses on Luke, he may be getting brought over in a year or two, too answer that exact question. Tim Boestch would be a very entertaining fight at that Division, but I doubt Tim would give up his UFC Title dreams for this. ​


    THOUGHTS on the NEWS folks???
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  9. Resilient.

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    Lungz you're a cool fucking dude.
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    ^He's right, you're a bad motherfucker
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  11. Jay Bee

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    lemme just say I think its pretty obvious that bendo won the fight

    the LW division is officially shit. not because the fighters are bad. but jones is such a dominating champion that its hard to even imagine who can challenge him. that is the ones he hasn't already beat up. i dont like shogun getting a #1 title shot. i agree with whoever wrote earlier that machida vs bader is a better #1 contender match. id like to see rashad get in there with him first

    why does everybody think they can just jump up to andeson silva? i think its about time that belcher and bisping get their title shots before weidman, boestch, or luke.
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  12. LungZzZ

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    hey, thanks guys I really appreciate that.

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  13. LungZzZ

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    Bisbing really reserves a shot for all he has done for the UFC. If he beats Stann convincingly I think there is no question who should get the #1 spot. As for Alan, I actually do like the guy, but Rosey was the first top level opponent Alan had taken out no? I don't think he is quite deserving of the shot yet, unless he wins his bout against Vitor.

    I believe Shogun deserves a title shot before Lyoto (though I am with most fans in the not getting why this is even a contender's bout). Not only is the round 2 defeat fresh on fans minds, Lyoto hasn't been on my radar as of late, taking fights that seem almost easy for him. Shogun however is just there to fight, whether his face is bloody or both, he is just there to fight. None of his bouts after Jones have been boring.
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    i think bisping has been over due for a title shot. the chael sonnen loss has halted that. i think its obvious that the way he kicked sonnens ass that he should get the shot. he did the one thing anderson silva couldnt, stop the takedowns and punch him consistantly.

    since his questionable lost to akiyama he has stopped his last four opponents all in the first round except for one that he stopped in the 2nd round. cote (someone who fought anderson silva the fight before) wilson, macdonald, and rousi. the best person stann beat is leben.

    shogun is an exciting fighter no doubt, but can you really see there being a different outcome than the first beatdown he got from jones? lyoto can make some tactical adjustments and have a good chance at jones.
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  15. LungZzZ

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    You arguing Lyoto's rematch with Jones is like me arguing Evans. There are adjustments to be made, but lets take JONES out of the equation and make all these shoguns/Rashads/Lyotos/Gustaffsons fight eachother.

    The first part I agree with 100%. To me he took that fight, but Bisbing had earned some shit decisions before, so he also earned losing that fight as well (he kind of got Manny/Bradley'd). BUT come on, he DIDN't do what ANDERSON could twice, FINISH Chael.

    I was never saying Stann deserves a spot over Belcher. If Belcher beats Vitor that is a MAJOR feather in his cap, and if it is in the first, I'm sure the world will call for a title shot, so we won't have to worry.
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    Corner Continued...

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    Weidman has a claim to a title fight but i would like to see him take atleast one more fight before he gets that shot, and if belcher beats vitor then i think a championship fight makes sense for him
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    I coudln't imagine him finishing Vitor with strikes though. He stuck around with Sexyama in a good fight, Vitor treated Akiyama like a rag-doll.
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    Brazil (UFC 153) has a NEW fight...

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    Jon Fitch vs Erick Silva @ Welterweight!


    Fitch, entering vet status at 34, holds a 23-4-1 record, as-well as being known as the perennial #1 contender at Welterweight up until recently. After reeling off a 5-fight win streak from 2009-2010 of the who's who in the WW Division (Alves, Paulo Thiago, Akihiro Gono), it seemed all but destined for Jon to get his rematch with G.S.P...Unfortunately for him tough, a draw to Lightweight Legend BJ Penn, and a blink 'n you missed it KO loss to Hendricks held him back from that long awaited dream. The winding road begins again.

    Erick, 15-1-1, is a deadly Brazilian, known on paper for his ruthlessness; his no contest occurring when he kneed a downed opponent, and a previous loss (which has seemed to be turned over to a WIN over Carlos Prater) due to illegal strikes from the top. Putting that aside, Silva is no joke. At 28, he is very much in his prime and at peak confidence, couple that with the fact he's finished all his UFC bouts in Round 1, and I think it's fair to say this man is riding a BIG wave right now...We will see if that helps or not.
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    I think that Weidman should fight the winner of Belcher-Vitor and the winner of that fight should face Anderson. I think that the brass ballz of Diaz challenging Anderson is hilarious, would make money, and be a total annihilation victory for Anderson...which would put on the pressure for a GSP-SILVA superfight.

    Anderson would destroy GSP. I don't want that fight to happen. GSP would lose his grip on the WW title as a result of the career changing beatdown that Anderson would hand him. I think that Anderson should fight Rua at LHW and say...Roy Nelson at a catchweight. This way he'd add another top 8 LHW scalp to his resume and a Top 12 HW to his name. Unless the UFC makes a Superfight Tournament consisting of catchweight fights for guys who can do it [ Franklin, Vitor, Rua, Nelson, both Thiagos, Anderson, Rashad Evans, Hendo, Mir, Nelson, Luke Rockhold, Jake Shields, Wanderlei, Belcher, Forrest, Diaz, Chael Sonnen, Swift, Weidman, Stann, Bisping, etc etc ] with a Superfight Championship belt? Idk what Anderson can really do to make a legit claim to being the undisputed MMA GOAT...cuz Fedor still has that crown locked down imo.

    Anderson would have to destroy GSP and Jon Jones and hold the WW [ or Superfight Champion ] belt over 3 separate weights to stake his claim as the undisputed GOAT. I don't see that happening for a variety of reasons.

    Why? Because the UFC very intelligently wants to protect GSP as the biggest mainstream draw they have [ which he is; he's a demigod in Canada ]. A fight with Rashad Evans is unlikely [ Rashad still wants that LHW belt and would have to really really be pressured into fighting Anderson; as a loss for Rashad--which is almost certain to happen--would really really set his career back ].There's not really that much interest in a rematch with Hendo at MW [ after Silva destroys the winner of the Weidman-Belcher-Belfort round robin ]. Maaaybee we can see Silva in a fight with a former LHW champ [ like Rua ] at LHW, a fight with Luke Rockhold [ Luke beat Anderson's good friend Jacare Souza for the Strikeforce MW belt ], a match with Lombard [ if he rebounds from his loss in impressive fashion ], and maaayyybe a fight with Cung Le just for the cash; and that's about it.

    The REAL and most non-negotiable reason that Anderson won't fight Jones is because Anderson's very good friend Machida wants that LHW belt. If Anderson won the belt? He reneged on his word to his friend Machida and it might end their friendship. Friendship and honor means a very great deal to Anderson; remember he heralded Lyoto's arrival and ascension to the LHW belt when very few people heard of him, and remember Anderson was incensed with Vitor because Anderson considered Vitor a friend. Anderson went to Vitor and helped Vitor when Vitor was distraught over the disappearance of his sister; that's why Anderson was extra brutal to Vitor in their match for the MW belt. Vitor turned around and gunned after Anderson's belt after Anderson extended himself to help Vitor in his time of need.

    I really don't see Anderson doing the same to Machida.


    So: Anderson's real world options are limited. Fight former LHW champions [ most likely to happen after he destroys the MW fodder ]. Maybe smash Diaz [ purely for the cash; no fight with GSP would be forthcoming after that ]. Crush Luke Rockhold [ personal thing for Silva, but Dana might not love it because it won't make the UFC a big chunk of cash ]. But what MEANINGFUL BIG MONEY FIGHTS are there? GSP. LWH title match. Superfight tourney. HW fights. If Anderson fights 3 HW and beats them all? He's a lock for GOAT. But Dana already said that he'd never let Anderson fight@HW...so whither the MW GOAT and UFC p4p best?

    Ultimately? Jon Jones or Superfights. Most likely? Superfights.

    That's my take.
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