so much for this being your "last response... what in god's name are you talking about? of course it's a procedure. getting your appendix removed is a procedure. treating a cold requires following a specific. At the very least, essential procedures should be covered. Everything else is different story. You ARE aware that even in the countries with universal health care a good portion of the population buys supplemental insurance to cover the ELECTIVE surgery's that the government won't cover. The difference? - because not all of the health care burden falls on the insurance companies they aren't scrambling to save money at every turn - it's cheap for customers. premiums are low because the odds are they aren't going to need the insurance company to pay hundreds of thousands for care because the govt. has already paid for it If I'm buying 10lbs of Ramen Noodles a week just so my family can eat, it's not going to matter that costs are "less" or that I can "choose my own payment plan"...I'm STILL not going to have the money to pay for it. If a free market leads to my medicine costing $10 a week instead of $20 a week under a system of "government meddling" (of which you've STILL not provided a single example) and I only have $1 to spare each week it's not going to matter. Simple stuff dude... - what's that have to do with your knowledge of post-graduate education? [dunno] - nobody is BOASTing about anything, but it's not like bums teach at D-I universities i didn't say that. anywhere. [dunno] whoa...you're advocating government involvement? tax credits? vouchers? I thought you were pushing for a "freer market"? And again if there is 1) zero government involvement and 2) a family has ZERO (or negative) money leftover at the end of the week, then they aren't going to be able to afford even the cheapest health care. You think this is never the case? You think the guy in the movie who stitched his own cut at the beginning is the only person who has to turn to such measures because they don't have an extra dime to go to health care? Not all health bills are preventable. Are you going to tell someone who is crushed when a drunk driver plows into them that they shouldn't have been driving? us: you'll get a scan. parts will be blurred. not a single one. you attempted to equate Nixon's approval of GIVING money to help HMO's flourish as a reason for why insurance companies wouldn't provide coverage for their paying customers...but don't explain how you suggested that Clinton's push for universal health care - even when it DIDN'T PASS and, as such, has NO BEARING on the way insurance companies are run today - was a reason why insurance companies wouldn't provide coverage for their paying customers...but don't explain how It came from the Joint Canada/United States Survey of Health. Only reason I replyed is because I missed that last night. Figured as long as I'm replying now I might as well clear up a few misconceptions you keep demagoguing. According to the Gallup Poll 2006 Americans were asked if they would like to replace their health care system With what your suggesting. 39% - Replace 51% - Maintain Shut up, pinko![/QUOTE] Doesn't change the fact that Moore's facts and figured were pretty on point You can't expect someone to take you seriously if you don't CITE your sources...Gallup shoots out hundreds of polls of year. Please provide a link, kthanx. - the above (replace/maintain) percentages mean shit unless compared with the percentages of populations in countries with different health care systems - you STILL have not cited this statistic...I call bullshit... - Even if it isn't bullshit, I wonder what the distribution of the above statistic looks like. Nobody can deny that the US has some of the best doctors and equipment on the planet. The movie wasn't about that anyway...it was about ACCESS to this care. It would make sense then that those who DO have access and have no problem paying would be extremely satisfied. But it would also make sense that those who don't have access would be even less satisfied than most people in other countries who, at the very least, have free access to essential care.