See this is the big problem. some of you have no idea what a TEAM needs to win a basketball game so you'll quickly give the offensive guys the edge in a comparison. if you want to talk about who is a better ball handler or who can create a shot easier with the ball then go ahead and give Tmac the edge. But Marion creates Higher percentage shots better then Tmac. Marion is by far the superior rebounder. Marion is a better Defensive player. Marion has way more heart and plays with way better energy and intensity. Marion is more durable in that he isnt injury prone so you can count on 35+ minutes a night. Im not trying to create things Marion is better then Tmac in to make a point. i wount try to say Marion is a better Ball handler then Mac or some bull shit. im saying what he does is more valuable to his team. what he Does i dont think Tmac can do. Tmac is not capable of averaging 20+ a night and 10+ boards a night while gaurding the best offensive player on the opposition. whether that player is the 2 to the 4. sometimes the 1 and 5. Tmac cant do that. you can say Marion cant carry a team if you want but there is no proof or way of knowing that. You also cant say Marion cant average the points, FG%, Steals.....any statistical acheviment that Tmac has averaged. cuz he can he has and he is.