Discussion in 'MMA, Boxing & Other Combat Sports' started by Makabreli, Mar 1, 2012.
I like this. Good stuff man.
boxing ranks up, should be updated as early as tomorrow though
james toney sparring with diaz!!!
stockton slap + shoulder roll = death to gsp
added MMA rankings, working on updating boxing rankings
mma ranks are my own as of beginning of march, will try to update soon and then weekly if i can.
Boxing Rank Updates 3-13-2012
by Scott Christ from badlefthook
One division gets a solid little shakeup, and a couple of new guys come in at 154 and 160, one due to inactivity, one due to reassessment.
Orlando Salido's great win over Juan Manuel Lopez bumps him up from No. 3 to No. 2 in the division, jumping Chris John, who's back to just being normal old Chris John, and it's pretty clear at this point that we may have given him a bit too much love for fighting Rocky Juarez back in 2009. Rocky Juarez. Salido (38-11-2, 25 KO) has the two Lopez wins, which are better than anything on John's record since 2006.
Lopez (31-2, 28 KO) falls from No. 4 to No. 8. His future is a little unclear right now -- it's impossible to tell how much that loss took out of him, and where his head's going to be from here on out. But I don't think he deserves to drop any more than that.
Coming in at No. 10 this week is Billy Dib (34-1, 21 KO), who won last Wednesday against Eduardo Escobedo and did so quite clearly. I have two reservations with considering Dib a top featherweight. One, I just don't think he's really as good as a lot of these guys, many of whom I'd pick to eat his lunch. Two, he's a really dirty fighter, and I just have a distaste for him personally. But the fact is, he's winning his fights and he deserves to be in the top ten right now. It's not like I kicked Luis Lazarte out for being a prick.
It has happened: Julio Cesar Chavez Jr has arrived in the BLH rankings. Some will argue far too late, because, y'know, they put him on HBO now and more people see him fight, so that means he's somehow vastly different than the Latin Fury PPV headliner. He's not, but I did come to two conclusions after an honest assessment of their records:
Chavez's best wins, even if debatable to some degree, are better than Andy Lee's, and;
It's not like Andy Lee is some super stud and obvious pick over Chavez in a head-to-head matchup.
Andy Lee is guilty of a lot of miserable fights, but he probably had his worst this past weekend against a fattened up, middle-aged welterweight journeyman who basically fell over as soon as he got the chance to. I'm not accusing Saul Duran of throwing the fight or anything, but look, he knew what he was in for. What was he going to do, beat Andy Lee, the legitimate welterweight who was actually in fighting shape? Emanuel Steward should be ashamed of some of these fights he puts Lee in, really. Lee's better than that and deserves better. I know this was a fight that happened because other, far better fights didn't, but it was ridiculous.
So Chavez is here. Everyone rejoice.
Serhiy Dzinziruk is out due to inactivity, and really may never return. He's 36 years old and when guys start going off the grid like this at that age, they rarely really return with anything significant.
This was the decision to make: Vanes Martirosyan, Zaurbek Baysangurov, or Lukas Konecny? I went with Konecny, but it's a placeholder pick. There are a handful of guys who can get into that spot with a good win. I've said this many times, but this is a tough, tough division to rank. Lots of talent spread out, not really fighting each other.
The upcoming March 24 fight between Carlos Molina (4) and James Kirkland (6) is a really big one for this division. The winner will be moving up to No. 3, over Austin Trout, unless it's something really goofy like an injury.
This Week's Ranked Fighters in Action
Middleweight: No. 1 Sergio Martinez (48-2-2, 27 KO) vs No. 3 Matthew Macklin (28-3, 19 KO)
Middleweight: No. 8 Grzegorz Proksa (26-0, 19 KO) vs Kerry Hope (16-3, 1 KO)
Welterweight: No. 6 Kell Brook (26-0, 18 KO) vs Matthew Hatton (42-5-2, 16 KO)
Lightweight: No. 4 Antonio DeMarco (26-2-1, 19 KO) vs Miguel Roman (37-9, 28 KO)
Flyweight: No. 10 Luis Concepcion (23-3, 18 KO) vs Oscar Gallardo (12-3-1, 5 KO)
Junior Flyweight: No. 1 Roman Gonzalez (30-0, 25 KO) vs Manuel Jimenez (11-2-1, 5 KO)
MMA Rankings Update (3-14-2012)
Pound for pound: Removed Joseph Benavidez to make room for Bendo. It was a slight on my part that I've decided to remedy. Benavidez does great at Bantamweight and it looks like he'll be the flyweight king, but those divisions need to show a little more strength before I can put him above the guy that just beat Jim Miller and Frankie Edgar.
Heavyweight: Not much happening until May 26. could possible see Prindle or Santos in number 10 slot after Bellator 61. We'll see.
Middleweight: Tourney starts this Friday on Bellator. We'll see if anyone makes the jump.
Featherweight: Okay, time to give Pat Curran his due. He was whooping ass at LW now he's whooping ass at FW.
Flyweight: bumped down to just five for now. There are a few good flyweights out there, but they need to mix it up under just one or two roofs.
As you can see, I'm slowly improving it as I go as well. Same with boxing. Kickboxing is a little tougher. Trying to make this a one stop shop.
Boxing Rank Updates 3-20-2012
by Scott Christ from badlefthook
Middleweight champion of the world Sergio Martinez retained his crown with a brilliant finish against a top contender, and another middleweight tumbled out of the top ten. Let's get to it.
Obviously, Sergio remains the top dog by a country mile following his stoppage of Matthew Macklin on Saturday in New York, and now it's worth wondering if there's anyone in the division who can actually test Martinez over a full 12 rounds.
Macklin and Darren Barker have both had some minor success with Sergio by making him come forward. Sergio wants to counter, to use his natural athletic abilities (his speed and reflexes) to let opponents walk into his big shots. As he has improved, it's almost amazing to look at him now and think this is a guy with "just" 28 knockouts in his 49 wins. He is a cutie fighter in some ways, and he's not a big single punch guy, but he's really got some thunder in those shots, and when his timing is dialed in, it's hard to survive. He lands these big, clean, accurate shots, and lands when they're going to do the most damage.
Anyway, Sergio's still No. 1 and nobody else is even close. Consider him the same way you might the Klitschko brothers at heavyweight or the Floyd/Manny combo at 147. There's nobody near him at middleweight these days, and really, for a single guy, he is the most clearly superior No. 1-ranked fighter in the sport. That might not mean much, but it's a distinction worth at least a mention, I'd say.
Felix Sturm remains No. 2, but he's just in a pack with the next however many guys, none of whom are really a whole lot better/more accomplished than their peers. Following Sturm, it's Daniel Geale of Australia, Macklin (trading places with Geale), Dmitry Pirog of Russia, and then you're into the next quarter-step down with Golovkin, N'dam (who is fighting on April 20, apparently), Murray, Chavez, and the returning Andy Lee.
Lee is back due to the big upset loss of Grzegorz Proksa to Kerry Hope on Saturday in Sheffield. I do truly, deep down in my hearts and guts, think that Proksa won that fight, but I probably would have dropped him out anyway. Hope's activity level and gritty performance made Proksa look entirely mortal and like a guy who was just begging to get beaten soon enough anyway. I scored that fight wide for Proksa, and as I explained before, that's a personal bias and one I admit to readily. I hate the idea that rounds should be scored for someone throwing a ton of punches that don't land while the other guy, whether ugly (Proksa) or kinda pretty (Andriy Kotelnik vs Devon Alexander), is landing punches of substance in return.
But I don't truly put this on the level of what I thought was if not a master class than at least a hotel ballroom seminar from Kotelnik back in 2010. I understand entirely why and how Proksa lost, and the argument that he deserved it is entirely valid. It's not one I'll make but it's not one I completely reject other than to say it's just not my cup of tea and I can't imagine I'll score many fights the way of a Hope or an Alexander in those situation.
No other divisions had any rankings changes this week.
Ranked Fighters in Action This Week
Heavyweight: No. 3 Tomasz Adamek (44-2, 28 KO) vs Nagy Aguilera (17-6, 12 KO)
Junior Middleweight: No. 4 Carlos Molina (19-4-2, 6 KO) vs No. 6 James Kirkland (30-1, 27 KO)
Welterweight: No. 5 Jan Zaveck (31-2, 18 KO) vs Bethuel Uushona (25-1-1, 8 KO)
Junior Welterweight: No. 7 Danny Garcia (22-0, 14 KO) vs No. 8 Erik Morales (52-7, 36 KO)
Lightweight: No. 10 Gavin Rees (35-1-1, 16 KO) vs Anthony Mezaache (21-6-3, 6 KO)
Super Featherweight: No. 8 Diego Magdaleno (21-0, 7 KO) vs Chucky Lazcano (24-2, 11 KO)
Super Featherweight: No. 10 Gary Buckland (24-2, 8 KO) vs Paul Truscott (18-2, 3 KO)
Super Bantamweight: No. 9 Takalani Ndlovu (33-6, 18 KO) vs Jeffrey Mathebula (25-3-2, 14 KO)
Flyweight: No. 1 Hernan Marquez (32-2, 25 KO) vs Rodel Mayol (30-5-2, 22 KO)
Another key fight this weekend is at junior welterweight, live on NBC Sports, between Zab Judah (41-7, 28 KO) and Vernon Paris (26-0, 15 KO) on Saturday night. I've taken my shots at Zab's record and overall true value in the past, and I think I was fair and justified in the criticisms, but an impressive win for Paris will vault him into the top ten at 140, and the same goes for an impressive win for Judah. The winner, unless it's a godawful fight where nobody wins but someone has to get his hand raised, will just have a better mark than Ashley Theophane at the moment, but Theophane could stay, too, if the Morales-Garcia loser really lays an egg, and frankly I can see that happening, one way or the other. So 140 will be getting some kind of fairly notable shakeup next week anyway.
And by the way, on Juan Manuel Marquez: He hasn't fought at 135 since November 2010, but he's retained his Ring championship since then. His next fight is also going to be at 140, at which point he will leave our rankings at 135 and go into the rankings at 140. Thus far it hadn't been 100% clear whether or not Marquez intended to fight at 135 again. It is now. There was also the question of, taking him out, if we would then rank him at 140, where all he did was roll over Likar freaking Ramos, or 147, where he didn't really fight Manny Pacquiao, since it was a 144 catchweight, and we can all agree that either way, Marquez is not a full-fledged welterweight, so how would you handicap that in a ranking of him there anyway, and also, it's unlikely he spends any legitimate or significant time as a welterweight. So we'll just leave him another few weeks.
didn't forget mma rankings, its just dry and there haven't been any rankings shakeups. nods to slava and brian rogers at middleweight.
lightweight is a hard top ten for new guys to crack.
next fight things needs updated and i'd like to add it to boxing as well.
MMA stream live on youtube this sat
ONE FC 3: War of the Lions
March 31, 2012 -- Singapore Indoor Arena, Singapore
- Zorobabel Moreira vs. Felipe Enomoto
- Tatsuya Kawajiri vs. Donald Sanchez
- Eduard Folayang vs. Ole Laursen
- Yuya Shirai vs. Fabricio Monteiro
- Melvin Manhoef vs. Yoshiyuki Nakanishi
- Eddie Ng vs. Jian Kai Chee
- Masakazu Imanari vs. Kevin Belingon
- Nicole Chua vs. Jeet Toshi
- Quek Kim Hock vs. Juan Wen Jie
- Yodsanan Sityodtong vs. Jiang Long Yun
- Danny Van Bergen vs. Richie Whitson
We have kawajiri, manhoef, and imanari which I know most of you will recognize but for those unfamiliar with the asian mma scene there are a ton of top Filipino prospects. Eduard Folayang is a kung fu guy for chrissake
looks like updates will be less frequent right now
we'll see what happens
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