looking @ all prophets of god, muhammad was the most normal ...

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  1. patrown

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    if you really look into how the church was created, and how collections from the followers are extraordinarily high.. it's easy to take an educated guess that's not in favor of the church, or it's saint.
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  2. reggie jax

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    i highlighted that line cause i thought maybe you missed the importance of him 'discovering' a new line of prophets from the american continent. there's nothing about any of that in the jewish, christian or muslim texts. so you can't really say he was just a saint that added nothing new to christianity. he was either a prophet or a false prophet.
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  3. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    yeah, that was interesting.

    but in islam, we believe every nation was sent a warner/prophet.

    that's why we don't dismiss buddha as an imposter, he could've been a prophet.

    same with confucious, he could've been a prophet for his time and his nation.

    every nation was sent a warner, it's just over time they started to worship them.

    so it makes sense that there had been prophets in the american continents too.

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  5. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    in your eyes, do you see anybody after muhammad being a real prophet?

    answer honestly now.

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  6. reggie jax

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    so then doesn't it make sense that joseph smith was a prophet, if he had a visitation from an angel that opened his eyes to a whole line of prophets nobody had ever heard of?
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  7. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    he can't be, but i see why you say he could be.

    and didn't it say that he saw it in a dream? that's different.

    that's different to say muhammad receiving revelation from gabriel, or moses (bushes).

    they say isiah predicted his coming with "he will speak from the dust".

    could that not be referring to muhammad, considering he was from the desert?

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  8. TheBigPayback

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    Yes. Thats not my issue. My issue is that he specificly fails the test of a true prophet of God.
    Also everything is verified by at least 2 or 3 witnesses, which means God would never just tell one prophet. Multiple prophets would have similar words of knowledge. or be able to verify.
    "I do nothing but i first tell my servants, the prophets"
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  9. reggie jax

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    to be honest i don't know enough about him to say whether vision meant dream, but even if it did he taught his prophecies as a revelation from god. he also used seer stones to derive visions which he taught as prophecy.

    i'm not saying you should accept his prophecies or teachings. i'm just saying i don't think you can base the validity of a prophet on their influence or impact. by those terms joseph smith should qualify.
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  10. TheBigPayback

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    Not if they wanna claim to have anything to do with christianity.
    The word is authority, but in this case joseph smith would be authority.
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  11. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    losing my shit again edit.

    yeah, i lost my shit again.

    at payback.

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  12. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    ok, let's not look at the impact or influence.

    did joseph smith come close to anything written like the qur'an?

    does the book of mormons have any equal in the way it's written? the qur'an doesn't.

    it's whatever though, you can qualify him as a prophet if you want - i won't.

    god isn't sending down any more warners, we've been given alot since creation.

    muhammad was the final, the seal of prophethood, who came with the final message.

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  13. TheBigPayback

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    Um...no u were talking about joseph smith.
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  14. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    oh, my bad.

    i asked about muhammad, and you responded with "he", so i thought.

    anyway fuck it, i'll edit out my shitty response where i'm losing my shit again.

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  15. TheBigPayback

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    No worries bro. We been down that road enough times for me to know things that r gonna set u off. So i stay away. But ya joseph smith
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  16. zyclon B gas

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    i don't believe muhammed was the final prophet though. just because he said he was, doesn't mean that he was.

    if i say i'm the last joe ______, does that make it so? if i said God told me that, would that make it any more believable?

    we could go through this all day, nu, but it boils down to what you believe vs. what another person of religion believes. i won't agree with you, and you won't agree with me.
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  17. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    fair enough.

    i won't argue with you, and you won't argue with me.

    but the day you figure out "another prophet" is on the rise, do let me know.

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  18. TheBigPayback

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    What constitues a prophet in islam
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  19. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    somebody who has been chosen by the divine.

    who speaks not what he wants, but what the creator tells him to.

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  20. TheBigPayback

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    Right but isnt there a test that defines things a prophet must meet in order to be considered one?
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