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Discussion in 'The Sanctuary' started by Geedorah, Aug 10, 2013.

  1. Geedorah

    Geedorah King

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    Exactly what I wrote, you dont know what happens after you die.
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  2. reggie jax

    reggie jax Well-Known Member

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    and what does that have to do with valuing the protection of other lifeforms?
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  3. Geedorah

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    Because you dont know what happens after you die.
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  4. reggie jax

    reggie jax Well-Known Member

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    oh, right. you're trolling.
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  5. Geedorah

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    No, Im not.
    Why do you have to kill something that cant do anything to you?
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  6. reggie jax

    reggie jax Well-Known Member

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    nobody said i have to kill it. people do a lot of things they don't have to do. maybe it's trying to suck my blood, or buzzing in my ear, or maybe it will lay its eggs and infest my house with its offspring. you still haven't given me a good reason why i should care about it dying.
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  7. Geedorah

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    Cant reason with egoistic humans who value life with how intelligent something is, while humans cant live without piece of paper.
    If a person was stupid and retarded, couldnt do anything, you would have no problem killing him?
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  8. reggie jax

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    a retarded human is still vastly more intelligent than even the smartest animal. if the person was brain-dead then i wouldn't see any problem killing them. of course, i also value the potential for intelligence. so you could take a baby which is functionally not as intelligent as an adult, but eventually it will be. with a bug or something like that, it's never going to progress beyond its own primitive intelligence.

    i'm not even saying this is the perfect model for why people value life, i actually do think it falls short of really explaining why we value human life to the extent that we do, but it's better than anything you've suggested so far.
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  9. Geedorah

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    How can humans be more intelligent if they couldnt survive a year in the wild?
    Also humans going to wars which have nothing to do with them, but with the ones on top who are making profit on it?
    Do those things sound intelligent?
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  10. reggie jax

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    we're social animals and rely on other humans to survive, for the most part. there are plenty of social animals which wouldn't survive on their own if you separated them from their pack.

    as social animals, humans have created an advanced infrastructure that we've all come to rely on for survival. of course, this infrastructure is only made possible by human intelligence.
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  11. Geedorah

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    Yep, really intelligent.
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  12. reggie jax

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    you know your posts are really starting to make me doubt human intelligence.
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  13. Geedorah

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    Sure thing.
    Humans believe in religion without any evidence or actually seeing God, that is intelligent.
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  14. AliceHouse

    AliceHouse The House Always Wins

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    @Geedorah, let me take a stab at this and try to explain why you're an idiot.

    You say: We don't know what happens when we die.
    Your conclusion: Therefore we shouldn't kill things.

    Am I right? Of course I am, I'm The House. But here is the thing... we don't know what happens when we die, does not logically conclude we shouldn't kill things. What you're *really* trying to say is you are afraid you'll be punished for killing things after you die.

    Fear is a powerful emotion. Logic, however, does not accomodate fear.

    When we die, since we don't know what happens, that means that any and all actions are equal in potential ramifications.

    There could be a "one true god" who will punish you for killing a bug.

    But at the same time there could be "one true goddess" who rewards you for killing a bug.

    There could even be a pantheon of gods and goddesses, and you will be a slave to one depending on how many things you've killed.

    Or nothing at all, so it doesn't matter how much you've killed.

    That is the logical conclusion to the statement you've made.
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  15. Sir Bustalot

    Sir Bustalot I am Jesus

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    yeah holy shit broski!

    now because of that this thread is two pages
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  16. x calibur

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    recently I saw a mosquito sitting on my left hand. I smushed it, and it left a smear of my own blood. on one hand, I destroyed a simple life. on the other, the mosquito's life was, to me, not worth the blood it was taking from me, the disease vector risk, and the itchy bump caused by its saliva.

    ultimately, all life exists under a ruthless energy exchange system. in human culture, we call it economics.

    as for how to value life, that is a difficult question to answer. the best idea I can come up with at present is that greater complexity should be assigned greater value.
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  17. lyricalpriest

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    i don't believe in death, we evolve from this world to the next... humans are to stuck on life and death, but do you think time stops ???
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  18. AliceHouse

    AliceHouse The House Always Wins

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    Well... space and time are the same thing so... yeah.
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  19. Geedorah

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    Does energy just disappear after you die?
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  20. AliceHouse

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