life is random........

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  1. TheBigPayback

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    Well if lofe was random u might say its a coincidence if the earth shifted a inch life couldnt be achieved. Whatabout the odds of the sun being perfecr distance or the odds the moons at a perfect difference or the odds if a proton were a lil bigger we wouldnt exist. Now extrapulate those odds to every perfectly precise thing in the universe. Theres no way u can argue it happened coincidentally. Logically for yall u might even have to say its not a coincidence. Thats really the only logical thing, beating them odds simply aint logical.
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    The universe is like a pen standing on tge ballpoint shift the degree at all it falls over.
    Now tell me when in ur life have u ever been able to balance a pen on tip. Right it would really ever happen if at all. Now ur taking the side that it would. Not great reasoning by those that swear to all things logical
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  3. x calibur

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    true indeed, you're correct about this. my reading of the anthropic cosmological principle is that it is extremely likely, if not certain, that an intelligent creator gave form to the universe. That explains the complex balance that allows for the existence of life.
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  4. Carpe Noctem

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    Obviously, there's a damn good architect behind it all.

    But being a Bible literalist is still fail on a grand scale.
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  5. Jay Bee

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    amazing yes. Impossible no. As you kno the earth has gone threw extinctions(most life that has existed in earths history has gone extinct) and natural disasters so this not a perfect world.
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  6. snowy

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    You want to talk odds.

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    HubbleSite - NewsCenter - Hubble's Deepest View Ever of the Universe Unveils Earliest Galaxies (03/09/2004) - Release Images

    May not look like much. But in this one picture of one spot in our sky Hubble captured 10 000 galaxies. Equal to roughly one thirteen-millionth of the total area of the sky.

    Now to put that into perspective our galaxy The Milky Way contains an estimated 200-400 Billion stars.

    Take a low ball average of 100 Billion stars per galaxy and we're looking at a possible 1 000 000 000 000 000, thats a quadrillion.

    Now if only 1% of those stars have planets. And 1% of those planets fall into the Goldilocks Zone. And 1% of those planets developed some life. And 1% of those planets evolved to intelligence. And 1% of those didnt end up killing themselves and their planet. You're still left with 1000 possible planets with advanced civilizations in this one thirteen-millionth patch of sky.

    The ODDS are that other civilizations have already risen to greatness and gone extinct in the Billions of years prior to Man. And they probably did it without God's assistance.
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  7. TheBigPayback

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    Word. But being in the goldilocks zone only accounts for the distance of the sun. Whatabout all the other factors of the existance of life nessicary to sustain it?
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    You honestly don't think other planets have been formed and destroyed near where earth is? Just because we're here, doesn't mean that billions of other planets haven't been unable to sustain themselves before us.
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  9. snowy

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    It only refers to the area best suited to find liquid water. But as we've seen even right here in our solar system is that liquid water can exist beyond the goldilocks zone.

    But I thought we were talking odds here. I was being extremely nice with those numbers. And that 1000 civilizations only accounts for a 0.0013% of the sky. Fuck add another 1% reduction of those civs that had a planet exactly where it needed and with all the resources to be for everything needed. And you get 10 SOLID. Now look at all that un-explored at areas of the sky. And that number only goes up.

    ODDS ARE...
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  10. UnbrokeN

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    life itself, is no coincidence. conscousness itself is no coincidence. you can talk about everythign being coincidence, including our physical bodies who are simply a momentary residence, a physical manifestation of a spiritual being. but your true self, is not a coincidence or an accident. you have been and always will be a part of the divine. you are on your own jourey, as are all other sentinent beings.
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  11. TheBigPayback

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    Do we have the facts for why that happened other than "a global flood" which is in the bible?
    Were humans around?
    So that doesnt really nulify the fact that while humans are here. Shits perfect. So wether or not its always been is not the issue. Its the human kind thing that katters in this equation. No?
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    Unlikely at best. Especially considering everything ness. To sustain it. Lot hiher improbability than just a planet thats a certain distance from its sun.
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  13. TheBigPayback

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    not saying there isnt odds there either. But were talking about a pretty specific thing here. Able to sustsain human life well actually thrives human life.
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  14. TheBigPayback

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    Bravo.
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  15. Jay Bee

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    ur just gonna ignore the ice age? And stop saying things are perfect bcuz they aint. There's life on earth now cool, but there's been two ice ages and most life has gone extinct. There's always the chance that it will happen again when the ball goes around. Understand?
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    Human Life??? Im talking Intelligent Life. Why should Humanity be the only avenue for intelligence especially when were talking about the Universe? You switch up the atmospheres makeup or the gravity of the planet or even the minerals in the ground and you would end up with a far different animal than us..

    We are talking about a pretty specific thing. But if you are given the chance to roll the dice say 10 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times (an estimate of how many stars). To me those odds of rolling the right combination only once in comparison to multiple times is so god damn small its a joke to even think about it.
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  17. Sir Bustalot

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    those odds assume too much

    the galaxy goes on forever and is still expanding. Its basically infinite. So theres an infinite number of chances for this goldilocks stuff, its bound to happen... over and over.

    also its assuming water based life as we know it. What about life forms that are made up of things entirely different to earth? ALL life on Earth is made of six components: Carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur... well they just discovered a new bacteria that doesnt use phosphorus, it uses arsenic. Arsenic is deadly poison to all life on earth. Except this bacteria. Which changes everything we know about "living" organisms. Our definition of life has just "expanded"

    there could be organisms with their building blocks which are made of things we never even considered able to support life... those stats and odds dont take that into account
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  18. Sir Bustalot

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    and im sure theres a divine power. But i think its very selfishly human of us for having it basically be our mirror image, or a being in general.

    maybe the defining factor of life and existence is a collective consciousness of positive and negative. A balance. And that every thing that was ever formed in the universe has a bit of this collective consciousness built in. Some things(living things) more than others. And that balance of positive and negative is what tips the odds in favour of creating life and existence?
    its very human of us to think in black and white. Good and bad, positive and negative. Maybe this collective consciousness of positive and negative is really all just different kinds of itself, and because were human and feel the need to explain it attatch our personal brand to it like good/bad, positive/negative etc etc?

    so maybe god is then just that collective consciousness of life? and in the beginning this collective happened as a side effect to the nature of life and non existence's battle to keep a balance... like the scale tipped one time far enough over to the right where the collective was able to get enough momentum to create this big bang or the first galaxy...
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    i agree... 500 years after copernicus and human beings still think they are the center of the universe

    all of these 'fine tuning' arguments seem to ignore the basic logic of cause and effect: they suppose that the universe is purposely designed so that it can support our particular brand of carbon based life rather than consider that the development of life, being highly adaptive as it is, necessitated a structure that affords survivability under those very conditions.

    not to mention that often the same people who argue that the universe is so perfectly fine tuned to support life will also argue that life could not possibly arise under natural conditions. which is it? is the universe perfect for the development of life or isn't it? why would god have to fine tune the nature of our universe for our existence and then billions of years later have to intervene with his own creation in order to create us specifically? these two assertions are incompatible with eachother: it has to either be one or the other.

    as for all these assertions about the sheer improbability of it all, i think this quote sums it up nicely:

    rarity by itself shouldn't necessarily be evidence of anything. When one is dealt a bridge hand of thirteen cards, the probability of being dealt that particular hand is less than one in 600 billion. Still, it would be absurd for someone to be dealt a hand, examine it carefully, calculate that the probability of getting it is less than one in 600 billion, and then conclude that he must not have been dealt that very hand because it is so very improbable.
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  20. x calibur

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    I'm not a carbon chauvinist. however, the fact remains that the universe IS fine tuned to support complex structures. change the parameters slightly, and you get a universe full of hydrogen gas, or a universe full of black holes. clearly some outcomes are far more favorable for supporting life, such as the formation of long-lived stars with solar systems.

    now you might argue that there are trillions of iterations of the universe, and we happen to live in the correct one, with nothing fantastic about that. However, the universe is expanding, which suggests that we're not crowded together with other universes. you could then argue that these innumerable universes are distributed across time rather than "space". But even then, they would all need to end in a big crunch in order to create a new universe. Even one universe ending in a big freeze would end the cycle, unless the spaghetti monster hit the reset button.

    Not that this is absolute proof of God, but I believe that current understanding of cosmology builds a strong case for the supreme architect, whatever that may be.
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