Joe Budden - Unforgiven

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  1. FrEe$tYLi$t

    FrEe$tYLi$t New Member

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    budden is def one of my fav rappers... prolly my favorite east coast rapper right now.... this is a classic metallica song and honestly i don't think it fits well... i think he's off beat on it and i ain't feelin it as much as some of his other deep songs such as calm down, walk wit me, 3 sides to a story..... it is an above average song but i got high expectations for joe budden cuz i know what he capable of..... honestly to me tho joe budden only makes good deep songs... his party songs, bitch songs, etc.. are weak imo....
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  2. MistaChipz

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    the song is ass, not because Joey didnt perform well, but because the whole vibe of the song just doesn't work...I dont think Joey's flow(although on point) compliments the tempo, and that metallica sample is stiff, I mean really, what black male is going to drive around bumping that?....

    Joe needs to put his ear to the street so he can gage what peeps want and dont want to hear, Im not saying he should switch his persona or change his style, but he does need to adjust. He makes music for himself and not for ppl, atleast that's how I see it. One or two introspective joints are cool, but too many just makes the artist seem selfish and pessimistic....
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  3. Kal-EL

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    I like the fact that he spits a shit load of introspective joints. Its like..."finally I get to hear so real shit"....na mean. Fuck what people wanna hear....he'll be round hear snappin and poppin if thats the case...lol....nah but fa real, I feel an artist should just come out and do them...if the people like it, they like it....if they dont...then that music aint for them...
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  4. Freebass

    Freebass NAH NUDDAH

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    yea but as an artist who tries to make a career out of his work, he must understand the buisness aspect like what people want to hear........he will forever be a rapper that only a loyal following of people see something in......I have tried, but i just don't dig the guys music, and I like allot more rap than the average listener.......complaining doesn't help, he needs to find his true balance of himself, and what is apealing.....
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  5. wilmer deryou

    wilmer deryou New Member

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    ^^how the fuck you gonna tell a dude to rap about and talk bout ...why even have hip hop if you want everyone to be the same...i dont want him to put his ear to the streets so he can drop shit like young jeezy ..FUCK THAT!! keep doing ya thang
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  6. Freebass

    Freebass NAH NUDDAH

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    don't think that was what dude was getting at......ear to the streets doesn't mean becoming a ganster.......I could care less about how he does his thing, but if he ever wants to amount to something, he needs to know what the people want to hear......you can retain your artistic integrity and apeal to the masses.........that's how the buisness is so challenging........
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  7. Ildino

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    word the shit is on a whole other level... rappers need to pay real close attention to this shit min!
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  8. -Oz-

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    His last 4 songs were Crazy Remix, Outcast, Club Song & Broken Wings. Non counting this, which was recorded well over a year ago.
    Anyway, Club Song is just that...a club song. Crazy and Outcast are on some other shit, and Broken Wings is the only personal song. People only think Budden makes ALL personal songs, because he is just so good at them, that they tend to stand out more than his regular songs. The thing is, the mass market doesnt hear ALL the Joe Budden songs that the small internet audience hears. They hear Unforgiven, and they aint really heard too many Budden songs that sounded like it, we hear it, and we can compare it with other shit. Budden seems to be careful about not overloading his album with the same stuff.

    People tend to forget that most of these songs on the mixtapes is throw away joints. He THREW them away, but he ISNT throwing away Unforgiven. So while we just heard Broken Wings, the people who buy his album (nobody) (& it aint coming out) will only hear Unforgiven.
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  9. Kal-EL

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  10. MistaChipz

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    I totally disagree.....an artist should always be true to themselves, I agree with you there, but if being yourself isnt appealing, then get the fuck off the stage.....Jay aint popin and snapping, nas aint popping and snapping, wayne aint popping and snapping, lupe aint popping and snapping, but they all make music that some portion of the population wants to hear....even a concious artist is making music for a certain demographic...your perception of what "real shit" is doesnt apply to everyone...real shit is when a nigga stops bitching and actually does something about his situation imo....with all this bitching and self pity, Budden is turning into the black eminem, minus the success....besides, if doing "you" isnt what the ppl want it doesnt mean the music aint for "them", it means the music aint for "YOU"..... I'm not saying budden should sacrafice his persona for some fake identity, but dude doesnt make anything that even sounds relevant, a lets be real, HE'S A COMMERCIAL ARTIST making music that only underground heads would appreciate, only prob is the underground heads dont like that Jay-Z style he comes with, and the commercial heads dont like the content he delivers....
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  11. MistaChipz

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    Both "Crazy" and "Outkast" were introspective joints imo, you're reaching with the "some other shit" classification....how do you know the songs are throw away joints? did u read that somewhere? I'd bet money that he records alot of those songs for the mixtapes, regardless of what he says or claims..I think some are throw aways but most are original creations for the project...besides, he should throw away "Unforgiven", the shit is not appealing imo....his flow, the beat, everything is just, well, OFF.....you are right, alot of peeps aren't exposed to Budden and haven't been since his first lp was released a few years back, so why out of all the songs to make a comeback with, would dude choose "UNFORGIVEN"?...

    on another note....

    Has budden ever done a really dope uptempo joint?...not some ole club sounding disco tech shit like "fiyah", but some real grimey uptempo shit, I mean with a ill hook and all....."Young Niggas" and "Get it poppin" are the only two decent uptempo joints I can think of from Joe...anymore?
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  12. MistaChipz

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    wow at totally missing the fucking point...clap it up for yourself...lol

    ear to the streets doesnt mean the literal "block" where the gangstas hang, they have streets in upper class neighborhoods too....if u didnt notice, Budden isn't popular anywhere, no just in the hood...
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  13. tpryor12

    tpryor12 The Truth

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    budden is trash
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  14. momo.

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    maybe it's the bad audio quality but it doesn't sound like he's owning the beat and sounds too choppy. almost whiney... the concept is innovative, the lyrics are dope n all but if he's gonna choose a sample from way left field shouldn't he own the song more?


    i heard it on xxl's bangers here
    http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=6885
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  15. Kal-EL

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    I feel you on the fact that Jay aint snappin and poppin, etc etc, but Joey aint them niggaz. And a certain part of the population does want to hear Joey. They do want to hear what he has to spit. He may never be the platinum selling artist that everyone else is or what have you....but Lupe aint go platinum, or prolly even gold (not sure on that one), and I dont hear nobody saying lupe should change. And I know my perception of real shit doesnt apply to everyone, but I applies to me...I could give a fuck what the next man wants to hear...lol....na mean. But I see where you coming from in the success factor, but to me, if he's real with himself...puts out the music he feels...and somebody buys it....its a success to me. All the platinum and shit doesn't really mean squat to me. I never was a numbers nigga. If you're CD's good...its good, no matter how much it sells. And unlike the masses on this site, I actually liked his CD and could bump that bitch ALL THE WAY THROUGH...and only skip "Porno Star".....It wasn't classic by no means, but it wasn't anywhere close to bad IMO.
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  16. -Oz-

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    Well any song on a mixtape is a throw away joint, he aint seeing no money on no mixtapes really. I mean, its time and effort put into them, but at the end of the day, its a throw away joint, because he is just giving it away for free.

    I suggest you listen to the lyrics to Crazy. He is completely on topic that whole song. Nothing depressing or really introspective about it.


    Outcast is more of a punchline type song...

    Quit trying to pigeon hole the guy. As for "Unforgiven" sucking, that definitely seems to be a minority opinion right now. Alot of people that dont even fuck with Budden showing respect for this song. Nothing is "off" about it. The first verse is completely ill. The second verse sounds a bit off when he stringing together longer lines, but thats how he intended it.

    He has tons of them. Up & Down, For The Streets, I Keep That, Aint Fuckin Wit Me, Gangsta Party, Focus, Drop Drop, Corners, Club Song, Im Back, Holla At A Real Nigga, Jingle Baby, Wait A Minute, We Hood....just to name a few. I aint saying they are all classic songs, but he definitely makes more than just depressing music.

    He said it best in "Whatever it takes" when he was talking about his depression.

    So I dont write to my fans, I write to my mans
    In hopes that he'll just leave & understand
    Like, plz leave the kid in peace
    Let me smoke this one cig in peace
    Just leave for a second, its been to long and I cant troop it
    & As long as your around I cant make that dance music


    Furthermore, Joey knows what his diehard fans wanna hear, & he gives it to us.
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  17. theheadbussa

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    joey needs to come out this year
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  18. -Oz-

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    I should hope so.
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  19. ANDtheMC

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    No it's not you fuckin' idiot... Just because it's on a mixtape doesn't mean it's a throwaway... Mixtapes are often put out for artists to keep their buzz on the streets while they're workin' on an album; basically, so fans don't start sleepin' or forgettin' 'bout 'em....

    Sometimes, artists put their best work on mixtapes and REALLY REALLY try because they know they the REAL hip hoppers are not goin' to respect them if they do otherwise... Hence, street hits are usually first on mixtapes... Also, they're tryna get a feel if a certain "potential-single" will get buzz in the streets to see if it would be a good single off the album....

    Beyond that, another reason certain mixtape songs get on mixtapes is because they can't use a beat due to copyright laws and put it on an album... They really wanna spit on a certain beat that they love 'n since they can't by law, they're gonna release it on a mixtape.... Now shut up... You're fuckin' dumb........

    And yes, Crazy is introspective... that was one of my joints last summer... I was bumpin' that shit for a minute (even tho' Wrekonize did it better)...

    He's talkin' 'bout his inner personalities... That's introspective... You're REALLY proving your stupidity.....

    Wow, and Outcast is more of a punchline song? WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!

    This ain't introspective? You're fuckin' dumb....

    "Oxy moron, stub and his brick ya'll
    I'm a five star suite with the view of a brick wall
    A high class scumbag, conceited nobody
    Popular stranger, I see shit like nobody"

    "You let niggaz plot and believe me they gon' try
    My nigga been shot nine times and won't die
    And so death threats become death threats
    When they want you on your death bed
    And you ain't done put to rest yet, you and I see you
    See the gummin' in your head, damn can't wait 'til I see dude
    Hate hospitals, I don't wanna go see dude
    Know I love you to death, I feel it's no need to
    In my mind it's bloody hallways and project windows
    Dice games, thick clouds of project endo"

    if that's not introspective, I don't know what introspective is....

    I'm sure you know his intentions to know "that's how he intended it"... Fuckin' idiot... Just like Papoose "intends to fall off beat" right?
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  20. D.Cipher

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    Song is definitely nice, regardless of how many introspective tracks he has released

    the beat is the weak link and his flow is the strong point, imo

    lyrics? i never find myself having to worry about lyrics with Joey, he always comes nice

    but damn, I just want him to come out with a damn ALBUM already
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