Discussion in 'The Sanctuary' started by lyricalpriest, Dec 31, 2011.
(Hitler, Stalin, Mao)
then christians muslims or jews
Mao's, Lenin's, Stalin's, Pol Pot's, and Uncle Ho's
The fact that the destruction of the planet's obviously a priority mission of our species, no doubt. It is true that some are taking it more or less diligently.
I would like to believe that the era in which those guys had a higher population of people. However if i recall, Religious people have been waging wars since the start of humanity. A lot of their wars last a long period of time as well. Not sure what point you are trying to prove here
lol give it up LP religious folk have by far the most blood on their hands.
hitler was not an atheist which u have trouble spelling.
hitler's mass killings were due to the fact that he believed in an aryan christ and that jesus hated the jews. this is what hitler is famous for and this is his motivation.
hitler was a member of the catholic church til death and ordered his men to due the same, his problem with church was with who held the power, not the belief of god existing.
HE NEVER STATES THAT HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD. AN ATHEIST IS NOT A CRUSADER, COMMUNIST, ETC, AN ATHEIST ONLY MEANS WE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD AND HITLER BELIEVED IN GOD.
references: Hitler- Mein Kauf
albert speer (hitlers architect)
Jay dropping knowledge in here
i would disagree
i think more people have died in the name of religion
all of those leaders were communists, save for hitler who was not an atheist.
conclusion: atheists are only capable of mass murder when marching in unison and waving red flags.
i still think historically more people have died in the name of religion.
we can see death so they can be counted. its a FACT more have died in the name of religion
Communism was basically a state religion in the hands of Stalin and Mao.
it all seems rather irrelevant to me. i don't know what the sum of all the death tolls from every religious conflict would be, but i wouldn't be surprised if the communist regimes of the 20th century killed more.
but what does it really matter?
the only reason that christians and other believers bring this up is to imply that without god, humanity is capable of great evil and thus atheism inevitably leads to large scale death and destitution. it's a fear based tactic that they employ when the threat of hellfire isn't enough. if they can't convince us that eternal hell awaits those who do not convert, they must convince us that without a belief in god earth will become that hell.
this would be a more effective line of rhetoric if they weren't forced to defend their own atrocities as less deadly in the process of trying to demonize their opponents. what we're left with is a petty squabble over numbers; who killed more? and thus their argument defeats itself.
i like to bring it up
cuz it looks bad for religious zealots
Hilter was an Atheist as many of his people have admitted and his inner circle was Occultists and Pagans and Hated Christianity and viewed it as a Jewish Invention heres some quotes that prove he was an atheist Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together...."
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of
Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are
inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was
introduced into the world by Christianity...."
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for
that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature.
Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic
cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When
understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine
will be convicted of absurdity...."
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday
its structure will collapse...."
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little...."
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict
with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it
knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
I generally dislike christianity too
only because i meet more christians with openly intolerant views than any of the other religions i encounter
The best example of religious persecution in America is the Salem witch trials. How many people were killed in those trials? Thousands? Hundreds? Actually, fewer than 25. Yet the event still haunts the liberal imagination.
It is strange to witness the passion with which some secular figures rail against the misdeeds of the Crusaders and Inquisitors more than 500 years ago. The number sentenced to death by the Spanish Inquisition appears to be about 10,000. Some historians contend that an additional 100,000 died in jail due to malnutrition or illness.
These figures are tragic, and of course population levels were much lower at the time. But even so, they are minuscule compared with the death tolls produced by the atheist despotisms of the 20th century. In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.
still killing 25 people for a stupid reason is horrible
I firmly believe that religion is unnecessary.
Spirituality on the other hand is good. But in my experience religion mostly cause problems on a grand scale because there are different religions and nobody agrees on one, and everyone says the other are heathens...
the one thing they all have in common though is spirituality.
the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.
The Straight Dope: Was Hitler a Christian?
he wasn't an atheist. if anything he pretended to be christian out of practicality, but he quite clearly referenced god on many occasions and attacked atheism (as it was connected with leftism and marxism, which he despised).
most of his anti-christian rhetoric seems to be influenced by nietzsche's attack of christianity as a refined judaism and a crutch for the weak. many of his comments coincide directly with the arguments that nietzsche, who was himself an atheist, laid out in his philosophy. comments such as the comparison of christianity to bolshevism or the praise for the earlier pagan european customs that 'celebrated nature.'
his objections never had anything to do with a disbelief in god. he merely disliked any sort of egalitarianism, not to mention sympathy towards the jews. both of those qualities are inherently incompatible with nazi fascism.
i wouldn't label the nazi movement a christian movement either, even if most nazis were self proclaimed christians. hitler recognized the cultural influence and power the church held, and must have realized that they were indisposable, at least in the short term.
so i suppose you're saying the millions that stalin and mao starved were killed 'in the name of atheism?'
were the native americans and african slaves killed in mass quantities in the name of christ?
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