is Dustin Pedroia really a viable MVP candidate?

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  1. Old Soul

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    Really? Jody Gerut is the starting catcher on the team with the 2nd best ERA and poised for the best record in his league?

    For all that wonderful 327 BA Pedroia has, he has a whopping 4 point advantge in OPS+, which most baseball experts agree, is the best tool to measure a hitter, all around. Soto is absolutely as viable a candidate as Pedroia, IMO.

    Both are viable candidates. Now you can go back to defending every Boston athlete as if he is a sure-fire hall of famer.
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  2. DannyC

    DannyC Stay golden, pony boy.

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    soto wont win the mvp. period.

    pedroia might. advantage: pedroia.
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  3. McCizoy

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    heh.
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  4. DannyC

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    allow me to put that in perspective for you.

    a second baseman has a 4 point advantage in OPS on your star catcher and a lock for ROY. thats not even close to normal.

    combine that with the fact that right now pedroia is 1st in avg, 1st in runs scored, 1st in hits, 1st in doubles, top 20 in obp, slg, and ops, he has as many walks as strike outs, and 17 home runs and 17 steals just to push it. btw, hes 3rd in the league in total bases behind only huff and hamilton, and hes not behind by much (huff 320, hamilton 311, pedroia 306). hes also tied for 6th in extra base hits.

    but the big question is, would the red sox be tied for first right now, as they are, without pedroia's ridiculous performance from a position that usually does not produce these kind of numbers?

    answer: no.

    suck on it.

    "heh."
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  5. DannyC

    DannyC Stay golden, pony boy.

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    also,

    your guy soto has 11 less xbh, 65 less total bases, only 5 more home runs, only 4 more rbi's, 70 more k's, batting almost 50 points lower, scored close to 50 runs less, has close to 80 less hits, lower obp for soto... etc etc etc

    the only thing soto has him on is slugging.


    the guy is OBVIOUSLY not the offensive player that pedroia is.

    look at the stats again if you disagree, because frankly, if u do, ur bias is comedy.
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  6. Nam Dekan

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    Pedroia is also in a weaker field where nobody really seems to have an edge..
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  7. DannyC

    DannyC Stay golden, pony boy.

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    except, according to national pundits, justin morneau
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  8. DannyC

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    i just read this again, and i mustve skipped over this to go straight to the pedroia stuff without realizing how stupid you are.

    jody gerut is an outfielder. not only that, he plays for the padres, who have the 18th best era in the majors.

    so um yeah, you need to uh.. stop posting on baseball threads.
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  9. double ML

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    youkilis > pedroia
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  10. Nam Dekan

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    Morneau is my man! He has overtaken Josh Hamilton for the AL lead in RBI's
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  11. DannyC

    DannyC Stay golden, pony boy.

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    glad to see old soul ducking out of this thread as he should have
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  12. McCizoy

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    Calm down...it's obvious he was talking about Soto and just mistakingly mentioned another player. It's certainly no worse than this gem you dropped a few years ago...

    Let's count how many things you were wrong about in this one post...
    -His name isn't Erik Hanson
    -His name isn't Eric Hanson (Craig Hansen)
    -He wasn't the closer at Syracuse (Went to St. Johns)
    -He wasn't a 4 year closer in college (Only 3 years)
    -He's not nasty...the Red Sox traded him and he couldn't cut in the Pirates bullpen and they sent him down before bringing him back up solely because of the expanded rosters.

    OLL @ you mocking someone else for an error and actually saying he should stop posting in baseball threads.
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  13. double ML

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    ^^sick burn

    GO FINS!

    FUCK NEW ENGLAND!
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  14. DannyC

    DannyC Stay golden, pony boy.

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    years ago?

    how long were u looking for that?

    i live here and now. and i ended this thread.

    moving forward.
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  15. Old Soul

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    I was just given an old laptop so I have net access again.

    Danny, seriously, you thought I was talking about Gerut? You really thought I don't know who Jody Gerut is? I was mentioning how ridiculous comparing Gerut to Soto is, in terms of MVP consideration.

    In case you haven't noticed, there is not more than a handful of catchers producing nowadays, whereas there are numerous MIF putting up nice numbers. Soto is a rookie, Pedroia is not. So who really should have the advantage? Soto is the catcher, on the team with the 2nd best ERA in the NL, you idiot.... seriously thinking I was talking about Gerut...

    The only reason you have such a crazy decision in the AL is because you don't have a player of Albert Pujols caliber. Soto is a very viable MVP candidate, never did I say winner.

    Also, McCizoy, don't forget Buchholz and Elisbury are superstars already... ESPN said so.
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  16. Old Soul

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    Just to add on... if your #2 or 3 hitter DOESN'T have more runs than our #6 or 7, something is wrong. This is precisely why runs and RBI (notice I didn't even mention Soto's advantage there) are horrible comparative stats. They are dependant upon too many outside factors. This is not a hard concept to understand. Put Pujols on the Red Sox and he leads the AL in RBI... The stats that Pedroia fairly and credibly has an advantage are hits, BA, doubles, OBP (although he has less walks than Soto and thus, has a FAR lower BA/OBP differential - Pedroia falls to Soto's 285 BA and suddenly his OBP is 330 with prolly a 430-450 SLG) 50 doubles is phenomenal no matter how you slice it... steals aren't exactly fair, comparing a MIF to a catcher. A catcher takes years off his career trying to be a base stealer... ask Russell Martin why his numbers have dropped.

    Again, I never said Soto was a more viable candidate... I simply proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, he is a much more viable candidate than Jody fucking Gerut and definitely at least comparable to Dustin Pedroia. Pedroia is the spark, Soto is the rock - those are important intangibles, which are what becomes the focal point of MVP talk.
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  17. Nam Dekan

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    if the Tigers were doing something thing year then Miguel might be in the MVP hunt. He has really come on strong after sucking ass to start the year
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  18. Newportz

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    Pedroia has been dying in September...
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  19. double ML

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    jorge cantu & shin soo choo have been on fire this month
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  20. DannyC

    DannyC Stay golden, pony boy.

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    thank you for that report from the yahoo fantasy front page
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