Icebox Remix.

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  1. StylisticS

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    Yes, I heard Omarion's album. And it is mediocre at best. Nothing innovative nor artistic to it whatsoever. Trippled with the fact that he is vocally WEAK.

    That's wonderful that we are hearing about Alicia Keys and Bilal is coming out especially him. Now only if that type of R&B got more attention and Ciara didn't than I'll be thrilled.

    R&B may be fine to you. But IMO, it is at it's worse state it's ever been. There are no Brownstones, no TLC's, no Jodeci's, nobody out there that you can say that standout and remember 20 years that actually is very popular in the mainstream right now besides Alicia Keys. Guess I just need to keep listening to r&b artists that stay underground.
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  2. That Nigga

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    I wasnt talking about Omarions album, his shit was wack. You said something about Lloyd though, but his album is pretty good. Its just the fact that the 90's is when u grew up so that music is gonna be close to ur heart, just like our parents/grandparents used to say "they dont make music like they used to" back in the 90's when they're style of music faded out. Its just nostalgia.

    There is plenty of good r&b music still being made.
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  3. StylisticS

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    Oh in that case for Lloyd. Yeah, i heard it as well because my little cousin has it and I didnt like it either. Same content over and over and never had a Rhythm and Blues feel to it whatsoever.

    It's not so much as me growing up in the 90s. Sure I would love to see the genre return to like it was in the 90s. But hell,the 60's and the 70's were both better than the 90s and I would love for it to return to that too and I wasn't alive in those two periods lol. Because it was R&B. It was soul. It was funky and smooth. That does not get the attention nowadays.

    You have to excuse me because my expectations are higher than others and I know it could be better but the genre is watered down in the mainstream. And honestly, there isn't that much of a difference between the 90s and now. It's just that in the 90s, people actually COULD sing. They COULD harmonize.

    Sorry for taking this thread this way. But just make a thread about T pain and you'll see my rant go beyond your expectations seeing as how I dislike everything about him in the genre.
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  4. Ixtlan

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    Nothing more to see here people.

    You think Brownstone and TLC are memorable acts?
    R&B standouts even?

    I'm really confused now... Because R&B is filled with middling acts like those.
    You should be happy with the way things are.

    Seriously though...
    Musiq, India Arie, Fantasia, Usher, Keyshia Cole, Mary J. Blige, John Legend, Beyonce, Tyrese, Joe, R. Kelly, Faith Evans, Jill Scott, Erykah Badu...

    R&B is alive and well.

    Top 40 radio is a horrible representation of the genre, but Corporate Radio has never been a good barometer to use for R&B music. Turn the radio off, get a satellite radio subscription or a high speed internet connection and I promise you'll find something you like.

    I agree that vocal stylings are hurting the artform to some degree though.
    The way that artists sing anymore leaves a lot to be desired.
    Bone Thugs 'N Harmony & R. Kelly have had a lasting effect on the genre.
    That double-time phrasing stinks out loud. I'm soooo tired of that crap.
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  5. Guy808

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    its aight
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  6. StylisticS

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    I didn't say it isn't alive. I said it is at it's worse state right now and if the artists that you named (except Usher and Keyshia Cole because they can't sing worth shit. Tired of hearing them struggle to hit a note) would get more attention than people that's half assing right now, then I WOULD be happy about it.

    I have sirius radio and it stays on 51. Wonderful mix of old and new school (which the 90's still is, fuck that, yall aint makin me feel old).

    And I stand by that. I do think people will remember TLC because of the impact they had in the decade and the type of music they brought to the genre. I may have gone overboard on Brownestone but I don't think any female group this decade can honestly harmonize like Brownestone did.
    Seriously, name a female group that sings like this from the 2000s?
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=_NoQC0Bo4gU or this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChHskOyTulk&mode=related&search=


    Glad you agree with me with the vocal aspect which basically goes back to the Brownstone thing. Basically I'm frustrated with the mediocrity that most of the public would think of as R&B. I wish we would here more Musiq and Jill Scott. I just know my favorite genre of all genre's can be better than what it is now.
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  7. Ixtlan

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    You're entitled to your opinion.
    I'm not a Keyshia Cole apologist. I happen to think she's overrated, but she possesses the one intangible that should come standard in a musician of any kind. Passion. That... Cannot be taught. Passion is the reason why Mary J. Blige will be remembered. She's an average vocalist at best, but the way she spills her pain and emotions over a song is absolutely uncanny.

    I think you're being disingenuous to say that Usher can't sing at all.
    That just isn't true. You may not like the guy, but he's an above-average vocalist.
    Hell even if you cheated him he's still average. You can't lump him into a category with the Keith Sweat's of the world. HE can't sing.

    TLC didn't exactly do anything groundbreaking.
    They were a Pop act for all intents and purposes.

    The traditional female group has all but dissolved.
    But I'd take a Destiny's Child over Brownstone everyday and twice on Sunday.

    Brownstone won't be remembered. I'm sorry...
    If you like them as a group, so be it, but they're not a memorable act.

    I LOVED Kut Klose, but they won't be remembered.
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  8. StylisticS

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    As vocalists, singers, and as a female group that can harmonize, Brownstone shits on Destiny's Child. Neither one in Destiny's Child can sing or blow like Brownstone. This is coming from a person that loved DC since their days begun in late 1997. But that is your opinion, and I respect that. But I do agree, they won't be remember. Though I did say I may have went overboard on that one anyway. You're right, Kut Klose won't be remembered. But Athena Cage will....for other reasons lol.

    I'm talking about what TLC did in the decade of the 90s alone. And I think most of their music especially on crazysexycool can pass as R&B.

    so has the traditional male group, sadly.

    He can't. I'm sorry but he can't. I'm not being disingenuous at all regarding Usher. I never have liked him in the genre, period. He was HORRIBLE on that Alicia Keys remix single as well as this Icebox remix. He is average at best. I can easily lump him into that category with Keith Sweat. The man's vocal range is mediocre. But this is my opinion. You may have liked him for different reasons. I, however, don't.

    Regarding Keyshia Cole and Mary J. I see your point. But at least Mary J can somewhat blow at least. Keyshia Cole struggles most of the time and I just turn it off everytime. But I did like that Love song, though.
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  9. Ixtlan

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    Okay, you've officially lost all credibility.

    Neither Maxee or Nichole Gilbert (Brownstone's leads) have peed a drop since the group went belly up in 1998. Gilbert's done some stage plays, but from a vocal standpoint she's completely off the radar. Though she was easily the most gifted member in the group. Maxee was nothing more than an average vocalist on her best days.

    All three members of DC are vocalists who can standalone.
    Furthermore, they all have more vocal ability individually than their three BS counterparts.

    As for their ability to harmonize?
    You be the judge.

    I honestly don't see how one can argue.

    Really? You must tell me why...
    Is there some sextape floating around in Cyberspace?

    It can be argued.
    I happen to own that album. And I can recall purchasing their debut.
    I honestly think the biggest contribution to that group had nothing at all to do with R&B vocals. I always thought Lisa was the gem of that outfit.

    They just didn't do anything for me. Not in a historical sense.
    I can't think of anything in their catalog I'll remember 20 years from now.
    "Waterfalls" maybe? Because of the context and era it took place in?
    But that's more about the AIDS epidemic and how that plays into the overall message in the song.

    Eh... True, but not to the same degree.

    He's gotten more rangy as his career has gone on. I think you're being horribly disingenuous, I really do.

    I offer the following.

    Even if you can't appreciate the vocals...
    Look at Beyonce's face when Ush goes into "Nice & Slow".
    She tried so hard to go stone faced. I bet Jay was pissed.
    You just know that she was wet as Niagara Falls.

    Mary does more with a little talent than most moderately talented acts.
    I'll give her that.
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  10. StylisticS

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    Huh? Where are you going with this. That wasn't my point. I don't care what they were doing in 1998. I'm talking about what Brownstone did when they in the mainstream from 1994-1997 and what DC did in the mainstream as a group from 1998-2004. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I will take Brownstone and there vocal ability especially their ability to harmonize over DC. Just a matter of preference. And Maxee was not that bad as you are making her out to be.

    Don't we all wish there was. C'mon now, you know about Athena though.


    I can agree with you about TLC from that point of view (as I thought of Left Eye the same way). But I still think in that decade alone, they made a big impact in the genre.

    You can continue to keep thinking this. I will continue to keep telling you that he is horribly below average vocal wise as well as range wise. I never have liked him. I'm not being disingenous. But that's my opinion on him. Hell some people say Mariah Carey can't sing lol.
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  11. Dirty Twist

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    usher>omarion anyday
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  12. Ixtlan

    Ixtlan emceeingain'tforyou...

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    Fair enough. Let's agree to disagree.
    Maxee is as forgettable a female vocalist as you can find in the 90's.

    Actually no...I don't. Tell me something Steez.

    You're right. We call those people crackheads.
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  13. M.Maestro

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    Yall want to hear a remix. Listen to my icebox remix. CHEA.
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  14. M.Maestro

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    ANd Usher does too much falsetto. His range is in the same category as Omarion.. th eonly difference is usher can get into his falsetto and he makes his voice sound lighter than Omarion. Omarion pushes too hard, and has bad technique.. he suffered from vocal nodules which dramatically decreased his range and i doubt he can go into head voice... and he still continues to sing with bad tech. which makes it worse on him.


    he reason why rnb singers of today sound the way they do is because they dont open their throat when they sing. THats why them singers be lookin like they straining they haven't spent enough time perfecting the correct technique for singing.

    also because they overdo the whiny sound , and it sounds terrible. the balance between an open throat and the nasal resonance is bad so they tend to sound like babies crying for their next bottle


    what made MJ great tho is he could give you that gritty whiny sound but he did it all with good techinque, he mastered his techinique before he started adding those attributes to his voice.

    singers today don't master there voice thats why they all sound a like, have average ranges, and break into falsetto when they cant hit that high note. either that or they jus scream it out (keyshie, omarion, j holiday at the end of the bed song.. at the end of the brdige)

    my rant is over.

    p.s. im not no sepcialist in vocal training and shit but ive read so many articles on this topic, and learned first hand how to develop the technique so i do know a bit. almost two years worth of research and experimenting with my voice..
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