I had an argument today..related to Alicia Keys

Discussion in 'The R&B Haven' started by Teen Prodigy, Nov 27, 2007.

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  1. Teen Prodigy

    Teen Prodigy Short2003's e-child

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    My question to you all is: Do you think that contemporary listeners tend to over-rate alicia keys' talent?

    I won't make my argument just yet, but I'd like to see what you all think.
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  2. That Nigga

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    i dont think she's overrated. i cant stand that No One song though
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  3. Ixtlan

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    Keys is as overrated as any artist I can name.

    She's only moderately talented as a vocalist.
    Her contemporaries dwarf her vocal ability.

    I also think her songwriting abilities are overstated.
    The piano and the performance saved her life.

    If she weren't a great live performer and never sat pianoside she'd be doing porn.
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  4. The Jeus

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    I don't know how highly she is "rated" today to say whether she is "overrated", but I do know she really only has 1 could-be classic song in her catalog (If I Ain't Got You) and I think she would do well to dump this "Krucial Keys" sound altogether. She's been hanging around with John Mayer, I'd be interested to see what they could come up with on a duo album as they are in basically the same place in their careers.

    I do agree with Ix that she is a solid live performer. Being worth the price of a ticket is key to longevity so at least she has that. Now she just needs more songs worthy of her performance skills. I will disagree about her singing, though. I think she's got one of the more expressive voices out there today, even if she doesn't have world-class range.
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  5. sagacious infant

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    I think she is overrated. Her piano skills are mediocre at best. Her voice is untrained, but not in a "raw talent" type of way - it's in a "I'm singing into my hairbrush" type of way...or "I'm on the phone with my boyfriend" type of way. She makes hits - in her field, that's what matters these days.
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  6. That Nigga

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    this is the only thing i can agree on in this thread. She is a fabulous pianist, and makes great music. she cant be overrated as a songwriter cuz she's not applauded for her songwriting ability.
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  7. Teen Prodigy

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    Yes she is. Her song-writing ability is what gets lauded the most, aside from the fact that she can play the piano.

    People do over-state her talent, and I think it's mostly because people don't have the proper context for the type of music she creates. People who are unaware of the sort of musical tradition from which Keys is drawing will think Keys is a musical beacon... compared to what else is being created right now.

    Whenever I hear people talk about how great alicia keys is as a talent, I tell them to listen to some older music. There are A. Keys fans who think listening to "old school music" is turning on Monica's first album.
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  8. DaAlmightyDolla

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    to me she is like ne yo

    her voice aint the best but it goes well 4 the song they write for and i dont mind listening to it.

    now keisha cole is the opposite she tries 2 hard and i cant listen 2 some of her music cuz she is reaching 4 a note she cant get.

    miss keys is a jack of all trades and a master of none. but i can settle 4 that
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  9. Ignorant

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    ha ha... I deal with this in hip hop... I still have trouble calling the early '90s "old school."
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  10. Ignorant

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    Keyshia Cole is a "deep soul" singer, which isn't concerned with technique as much as an "R&B" singer.

    When you hear her straining, it's not like she's trying to reach a note, she's pouring out her soul.
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  11. R-Tistic

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    LMAO...yeah, this thread is true.

    It's the same way in rap. Music isn't like sports, where each generation gets better arguably...so the best rappers and musicians in today's world are usually nowhere near as good as the legends 20-30+ years ago...but they stand out because everyone else is so average.

    Alicia's definitely talented and nowhere near wack...but not only is her music heavily inspired by the 70s and 80s soul legends (which isn't a problem), but it's not as great...and I'm not knockin her for that, but it does stand out when she comes out with the Ashanti's of the world. Most R&B now is basically a hybrid of rap and pop, and she does make true soulful music that is needed.
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  12. Teen Prodigy

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    I agree with this, and this may have been what I meant when I said people laud her for her song-writing ability. And true, she shouldn't be knocked for being inspired by music from a bygone era, the problem is that compared to the artists from that tradition, she is really nothing special. I agree with you. Put Alicia keys in the 70's and she is in the middle of the pack, at best.
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  13. Ixtlan

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    Cole could benefit from formal training though.
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  14. Ignorant

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    Ha ha... I said the exact same thing about Blu & Exile's album and some posters caught a hissy fit.

    I never said their album was wack, just nothing new and it stands out because of the mediocrity of hip hop today.
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  15. Ignorant

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    Well, yeah if you want her to be an "R&B" singer... deep soul and blues aren't concerned with vocal technique as they are with emotion.

    Maybe she should her vocal arrangements and productions to best fit the limitations of her voice.
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  16. Ixtlan

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    You think she could even identify a Deep Soul record?
    Come on Iggy...

    Or learn to sing within her abilities.
    She's flat quite often.
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  17. That Nigga

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    yeah, Keyshia Cole aint deep soul. she's hip-hop/soul, she's a carbon copy of MJB. not that thats a bad thing.

    deep soul is like Leela James and others like her.
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  18. That Nigga

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    and i still cant see how she can be overrated. i cant think of any other female putting out better quality music than her right now.
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  19. Ignorant

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    She may not know much about the deep soul genre, but her vocal style is clearly "deep soul" regardless of the productions she sings over... which is the problem. The production doesn't fit her vocal style at all.
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  20. Ixtlan

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    Agreed. Completely.
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