How intricate/complex of an art is sampling?

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  1. 3ternal

    3ternal Stay hungry my friend.

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    I've never really fucked around with samples before. I have songs I want to sample though.

    The actual art of sampling though, not finding the song, but I guess things that would fall under the umbrella of sampling.
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  2. chessboxa

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    It's essentially how intricate or how simple you want to make it. Some are content with finding a quality loop, throwing drums and such on top of it, and being done with it. Others (including myself), like to chop them up to hell, and rearrange them to create their own groove.

    There's plenty of different ways to approach sampling. If you're making beats on a computer, let me recommend Native Instruments' Battery and/or iZotope's pHATmatik PRO as nice VSTs to edit/trigger your samples.
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  3. Djay Cas

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    you cant do anything with out the ear

    you could give a random dude a great sample and with out an ear for music they will ruin it.

    one thing i hate is when some one loops up something that doesnt have any real feeling to it..but theyll loop it just because its the only part of the song with no drums

    another thing which is just as bad if not worse is chopping up a sample just to say you chopped up a sample
    somebody once posted a beat on rm saying there were 256 chops in his beat and it sounded horrible

    theres a time for looping and chopping the art is knowing when to execute.
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  4. MgTheFuture

    MgTheFuture Music is my life

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    Very if you're dilla or that dude from Jedi Mind tricks
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  5. 3ternal

    3ternal Stay hungry my friend.

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    I understand that. But I'm not talking about the ear so much as I consider that finding the sample. Although the ear still comes into play in knowing what to do with the sample.

    I'm saying the actual process of sampling. Like people put drums over the existing drums and shit like that? Or maybe even layering the same sample at slightly different speeds to thicken it up?

    The actual technical aspect.
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  6. HYPNOTIK

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    Either it comes natural to you, or it doesnt, simple as that.

    Like Cas said, you just need a good ear, and know what sounds good.
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  7. HYPNOTIK

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    I and a lot of other ppl on here were fucking with samples back in 2001 ish.

    So It comes simple to most of us.

    But, if you fuck with it for a month or more, and you catch on, then u'll get it.
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  8. HYPNOTIK

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    Most good samples are going to have drums under them to begin with.

    Ur just going to have to cut the frequencies of the sample, and EQ.

    Cut the frequency, dont raise it. And just layer thicker drums over the samples drums,
    and slighty cut them, but not a huge amount.

    Same with ur bass.

    Cutting ur kicks and bassline gives the beat air and room to breath.

    So when you run it through a limiter or maximizer to give it that extra thump that
    wont blow ur speakers, or nothing will clash with each other.
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  9. Emtee

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    some good feedback on here.. as for the technical aspect it really varies. some people chop up the sample on the mpc or the keyboard, and make up their own groove.. others chop it up on the pc, i guess it really depends..
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  10. HYPNOTIK

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    true.

    Personal preference.

    Hell, you can even use a midi controller + ur pc to edit.

    or what ever..

    mpc+ pc..

    I prefer the pc, because u have this huge screen to edit and arrange and sequence on.
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  11. Emtee

    Emtee License to Ill

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    ^^^ yo hypnotik do u click in your drums or play them on a midi controller ?
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  12. HYPNOTIK

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    I tap my foot playa i got a foot pedal specially made for foot tapping
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  13. HYPNOTIK

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    lmao J/k Nah I program my drums man.

    But use my midi controller for basslines/ and paying shit out
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  14. Macmili

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    Yea but cutting out frequencies makes it sound bad when I do it, like there will be holes where the snares and kicks used to be or something
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  15. HYPNOTIK

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    Ur not doing it right then.

    You just need to keep fucking with it man.

    The Beatles, and big bands from the past cut there instruments.

    If u dont cut ur kick, and bass, it will clash with each other.

    Learn how to cut properly, and the more u do it, the cleaner ur mixes will sound.

    When ever I try to make a good mix, I spend a little bit of time on cutting and panning instruments, hats, percussion, etc.

    Cause if u pan, cut, and mix properly, then when u add a limiter to it, or amplify/ maximize, its gonna sound clean and fuller.
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  16. N0va

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    my biggest problem with a lot of producers out is they do this just for the sake of doing it because its supposed to take "skill". chopping samples is fucking easy and it can ruin a good loop if u try to chop just for the sake of it most of the time its unnecessary.
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  17. HYPNOTIK

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    yea chopping is easy, but only if u know wtf ur doing..

    It's easy to people that been doing iit.. but suprisnly... it some people dont get it lol...

    u know man....
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  18. HYPNOTIK

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    On another note Nova... ur right.. its easy..
    But or some people, they wont catch on soon.. U know this..

    some ppl it takes longer to catch on...

    i know its simple.. and u.. Cause weve been doing it longer..

    some ppl are not oing to get it off bat
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  19. Proliferate1

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    teach me how to produce, i'll show you how to rap
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  20. Money Greene

    Money Greene Da Man-Da Myth-Da Legend

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    Check out a beat making vid I did with a sample, that might help.

    YouTube - Wado of Maddmen Productions Beat Making Vid 2...Sample
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