How about a thread called advice for young poets?

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  1. Anaphora

    Anaphora was here

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    And fill it with, well, advice?

    For instance:

    Use concrete details. Concrete details are real things, like the shape of a rock, whether it looks like Ned Flanders' head, a raisin, a frisbee, whatever. Concrete descriptions are things that the reader can actually see and turn around in their head. They can grab onto and ride through the ideas in your poem with. Concrete details are the heart and soul of keeping a reader reading.

    or:
    Try rooting your poem in a scene. This isn't always necessary, but if things are happening, it's almost always a lot more interesting, because bad things could happen, good things could happen... it adds tension to the poem. Tension is a good thing. It keeps people reading.

    or:
    A poem isn't a fact checked autobiography. If you start a poem based on real life, it doesn't have to exactly mirror what actually happened. Usually the more interesting, better poems start with what happened, then veer off into what could've happened, either in the speculative, or just have the speaker (ie the character the poem is about, who is not you) write it as if it happened. It's not lying, because people understand (or need to come to understand) that poetry is poetry, not creative non fiction with line breaks.

    or:
    Don't just offer praise when you reply to a piece. Criticism is the wheel which turns the literary world. If no one tells you what's wrong with a piece, chances are you'll never know to fix it, and everyone who reads it will choke on thos places of a poem. Maybe be nice when you word it (something I've strayed away from on this board because most, it seems, only want that pat on the back which is increasingly frustrating), but be strong when you point out your opinions so they're not as easily brushed off by the poet afraid to kill his darling.

    or:
    If you've seen it before, find a new way to come at your poem. Avoid cliches, like a rose as your love, or a single tear. If you've heard it before, that means that more than likely, other people have too. Be original. Come up with your own similies and metaphors, your own little turns of phrase.

    or:
    Microsoft Word has spellcheck. Use it. People (in the real world) don't take you seriously if there're spelling errors, punctuation errors, grammar errors.

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    Buy Elements of Style, and learn how to use a comma. They probably have plenty of guides online that explain it pretty well too. Punctuation isn't just 'throw it wherever you want' in poetry. The same rules apply, unless you do away with punctuation all together, then you need to be really good at what you do, like WS Merwin.

    or:
    Don't mix your metaphors. If you start a metaphor about your lines of poetry being like lines of cocaine, don't have the next line be about fishing with your lines of poetry... then your lines are simultaneously cocaine and fishing line, which is just silly and confusing... though the fish may get a kick out of it.

    Add on, start a new more official thread, whatever, but people need to be able to see these tips, because it seems, at least, that no one's ever told a lot of the writers on the board this.
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  2. Anaphora

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    OK, since no one seems to want to add on, I guess I will...

    How about:
    Use poetic devices. These don't stop at rhyme and alliteration. Assonance is basically a form of rhyme, like consonance. Assonance is the repitition of a vowel sound, consonance is a repitition of a consonant sound. Assonance: Kate's Late for the Game on Haight and Frame. Consonance: That Can't beat taunts tossed at Heat fans... Then there's metaphor, simile,my namesake (the repitition of a word or phrase at the beginning of a line), of course imagery... read up on it, some of it's interesting, like Kennings, and some not so much like onomatopoeia...

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    Make sure you know what you're writing about. You don't have to eat sleep and breathe it, but at least fact check if you're writing about actual places, or jobs or people...

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    Try forms. You can play witht hem, change the meter, fiddle with rhyme... Denis Johnson has a kinda sonnet that's one sentence, and plays with the form http:// blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=14692641&blogID=195850179&MyToken=ffef2818-8026-473e-a521-832470f3c93f (fill in the space) Kim Addonizio has a bunch of Pantoums where she fiddles with the form a bit, one good one that steers away from the norm quite a bit is "The Revered Poet Instructs Her Students on the Importance of Revision" in her collection "Tell Me" which can be opened and read for free at most big bookstores... There're tons of forms out there. Rondeaus, villanelles, sestinas, sonnets, terzanelles, ghazals, pantoums... you name it. They're a fun escape from the dominant world of free verse, and if you learn enjambment well, you can even make them good quick.
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  3. Anaphora

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    Who let the art f.ag in here? Shouldn't you be cutting right now? Jesus. That argument's about as ridiculous as me trying to think of a similie for this argument. If it's strictly self expression, it's in what's called a DIARY. If it's put out in the world that means the diary writer wants to learn to be better, or the diarist wants a self indulgent pat on the back. Either way, the correct answer is honesty. 95 out of the 100 poems here are garbage. Which is cool, because anyone who's ever been in an intro level poetry/creative writing class knows, the normal fraction of bad poetry written to good poetry written is closer to 99.5 out of 100. If people want to learn to better use their words for their 'self expression' then we should help them learn to use their words more effectively. It's honing the whole 'self expression' thing so that it's less of a formless blob, and more of an acurate picture.
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  4. RakeSikered

    RakeSikered New Member

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  5. Sun_Flower

    Sun_Flower Bluez By Loves Eye

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    Sometimes its not perfect, sometimes its not guarantee the flow, the purest corrections and finest lines. Sometimes the words just comes, lusciously unlined, and merely defined.

    A few might run with the game of rhymes: thats how I started. A few might cry and find it fast; in a pen lost within its nest, a sense. However, real critiques never demean a fellow learner, but congratulate a thoughtful mind quarter.

    Its things like natural nature that nourishes the normal minds or even eyes. I see writing poems as my life growing, pacing steps amongst the commas, and notions of self inflictions period. I caress my dignity with my love coats eye, personality has been longhand bleeding.

    As the cycle stops, religion plays heart in most to writer's block and it hits home, unable to form or core this truth. Knowledge of the craft is a key in the beginning, and the ending always limited to others its limitless. I write from a mood that one never sees, like a distant flower in driven moon.

    Advice given is advice taken, but unlike the others. Some are just exploring covers! Expansion in horizons linger around a fool that visits a king at his thorn, no wiser than a life placed at his feet. Trimmed and pricked to be a voice of wisdom, what art in this a riddled joker of the mix?

    An image or musical lingo that turns and twirls things bingo, try, try, try, and try again. Take a stab at the word play casino and pull its nuts on a rhinestone kisco - freeze pop, in my world suck suck. Funny is funny do so have fun and play it too.

    Because poetry sometimes don't come easy! blah blah blah blaaaah blah blah blaaaaaah

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    I had to put my couple narrative words in it. I hope u like the advice....
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  6. allnakey

    allnakey Sex is no fun by yourself

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    Man that's some good advice you got there. I like to keep writing fun, it can be as structured as you want it to be or it can be loose. All styles can work.
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  7. Armandale

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    advice.

    eat things from the earth, use natural products - soaps and stuff like that

    drink alot of water, detox and take multi vits

    you'd be supprised when you treat the body as a temple and clean house, how the creative energies flow

    also find a good woman and have lots and lots of sex
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