Home Runs, Heroes and Hypocrisy: Performance Enhancement in Black and White

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  1. identity-X

    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    it's a fitting statement, one that applies to the recent Michael Vick case as well.



    That Aaron was black doesn't take away from the main point of the article.
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  2. MyKe SeaN

    MyKe SeaN Paula Deen is my hero.

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    ^^Are you serious. Bonds played against much better competition than Babe Ruth Did. Babe Ruth was sheltered when it came to competition. Bonds could actually run the basis without passing out. Bitch!
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  3. Offbeat

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    bonds played against weaker competition.

    look @ the record books dummy
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  4. identity-X

    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    "(As a side note, it's interesting how no one ever suggests Ruth's accomplishments should be looked at skeptically because he was swinging at fences that I was able to reach routinely at the age of fifteen)."

    I can't imagine why I'd doubt you had read this...
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  5. MyKe SeaN

    MyKe SeaN Paula Deen is my hero.

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    So basically what your saying is that whites were the best athletes of that time? Hitting a 250 ft Homerun is nothing for Middle school to high school sluggers.
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  6. BlackSoultan Ad Infinitum

    BlackSoultan Ad Infinitum aka Billy Shoreview

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    So...since Aaron is black, whites don't think bonds' success is largely due to steroids? [dunno]

    Now y'all just grasping at logical straws.

    And rich: are you saying Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb own even Hank Aaron??!? I mean, if anyone is going to argue against the legitimacy of Bonds' career, they'd have to defer to Aaron, not Ruth and Cobb.
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  7. BeEgEe

    BeEgEe El Warm Shot

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    lol.


    im white.
    I heavily support vick.

    and been cheering for bonds since 87.
    i hope he breaks that record, I got a few of his rookie cards :p


    the fact the he used steroids is disappointing,
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  8. BeEgEe

    BeEgEe El Warm Shot

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    bonds had plenty of success before steroids.

    its recognized.





    there should be no race argument.

    BIG MARK MCGWIRE was white, didn't stop whites from pointing out his 17 inch forearms and 30% boost in his stats between the age of 32 AND 37.





    for me, race plays no role in who I root for
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  9. BeEgEe

    BeEgEe El Warm Shot

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    and rich.


    off ruths nuts.

    jesus kid.
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  10. BlackSoultan Ad Infinitum

    BlackSoultan Ad Infinitum aka Billy Shoreview

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    Much better argument than your previous one.
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  11. menaz

    menaz Avant Garde

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    I think bonds knowingly took steroids, Canseco recalls it as well.
    I think Vick is a piece of shit who abuses dogs, end of story.

    Babe ruth was one of the best.
    Hank Arran was one of the best.
    Stan musial was one of the best.
    Micky mantel was one of the best.
    Lou gehrig was one of the best.
    Reggie Jackson was one of the best.

    They all did it without streoids, ruth did it overweight and simi-drunk.

    So ill rich has some points, Image babe ruth in good health on steriods and sober.

    No question, Bonds was a good ball player with good eye and hand coordination, but he had to cheat inorder to become a great ball player. Do I care? NO! Do I think he cheated? Yes! However, his Time in base ball was pretty much the steroid era, there we're alot of good ball players on steriods who became great. So Bonds had some skill before using.


    Of course I have my TEAM BIAS.

    As a cardinal fan I don't want to see a giants base ball player with the home run record. That is the fucking truth. I hate the fact berry bonds a stupid ass giant is getting the record. Everytime Berry comes to St.louis I boo his ass. Now if berry played for the cardinals I wouldn't boo his ass, though I would still say he cheated like the rest of them in his era.
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  12. Offbeat

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    look at the stats accross the board for the major hitting categories: batting average, slugging %, ops, on base %, home runs, hits, rbi

    barry bonds:
    batting average = #229
    slugging % = #6
    ops = #4
    on base % = #6
    home runs = #1 (tie)
    hits = #35
    rbi = #5

    hank aaron:
    batting average = #142
    slugging % = #26
    ops = #39
    on base % = #215
    home runs = #1 (tie)
    hits = #3
    rbi = #1

    BABE RUTH
    batting average = #9
    slugging % = #1
    ops = #1
    on base % = #2
    home runs = #3
    hits = #39
    rbi = #2

    get the fuck outta here, is it even CLOSE????

    http://www.baseball-reference.com
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  13. BlackSoultan Ad Infinitum

    BlackSoultan Ad Infinitum aka Billy Shoreview

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    But seriously, granted I'm no baseball fan. My shit is football. But think about it: from what I gather, it was a much easier game back then: no blacks (or latinos, for that matter. I think that's a BIGGER issue) and the fields were smaller. A shitload of mediocre white players playing against each other? I have to agree with this article: the exclusion of such a significant source of athletes is probably a larger issue than steroids, especially when you consider that it's not just bonds who is using. It's probably most of them using. How many of them are probably using something that at present is not yet detectable?

    So I'd say in order to make a valid comparison, you have to go more current so that it's at least a similar game.

    While y'all buushittin, what about A-Rod??!? That kid is runnin' past EVERYONE!
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  14. Offbeat

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    latinos and native americans played baseball in the old majors

    and the game wasnt "easier"

    people just assume that

    these guys were great ball players and mediocore players dont hit over 700 homeruns and dominate the league and hold records for 30+ years (and some still going)
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  15. identity-X

    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    ^^^

    I'm still convinced you didn't read the article...

    why anyone ever thinks this is a good argument is beyond me [dunno]

    I'm white. I consider myself an anti-racist.

    That doesn't change the fact that a whole buttload of people are racist as fuck
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  16. Offbeat

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    why, cuz i dont agree with it?

    fuck u
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  17. identity-X

    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    no...because the author spells out how it WAS easier (need I quote the distance to the fence quote again?), yet you've glossed over that more than once
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  18. Offbeat

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    didnt i just say i disagreed though?

    u can say that as much as u want, its still not true lmao
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  19. menaz

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    It seem to me one is saying in the era of all white ball players filled with such greats like babe ruth -- wouldn't have been as great if they played against the Negro league. Therefore their mark on base ball is all just a big sham. That is a bias theory for this reason...


    Though I see whats being postulated, its an unfair portray either way, because who is to say the great black ball players like oscar charleston wouldn't have had more difficulty playing against the great white ball players of their time; like the babe ruths & Lou gehrigs of that era. Thus, not making the black ball players who played on the Negro league teams as great today as we consider them to be, vice versa for Ruth and Gehring.

    I'm real sorry people are jaded by these segregated times in base ball history, and sadden by the fact they can't think reasonably for themselves. But that doesn't give them the right to shit on babe ruths legacy or oscar charleston legacy. Infact Noone here has tried to shit on a legacy like cool papa bells.

    Therefore, You can't take Ruths legacy away from him because of the segregated times or because of some race-baiters opinionated piece on the matter.

    It's a nice food for thought, but I just took a huge chunk out of that thought.

    And I really don't care how small the field was, Because I speculate the negro league played on a small field themselves.

    And like I said in my pervious post. I don't find it reasonable to compare a streoid era to a non streoid era.
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  20. identity-X

    identity-X No Talent Assclown

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    actually that's not what he's saying
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