Hitler didnt kill 6 million jews?

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  1. zyclon B gas

    zyclon B gas sososerious

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    no gas chamber victims were ever found? exactly. so, that means they were all incinerated.

    and i'm pretty sure no victims of zyklon b ever said anything except "gahaghaghahghaghahgahagah helppppp ghaaaa!" if you're referring to survivors of the holocaust, why would the soldiers care how long it takes to clear out? they're in the middle of a war and are executing people. they have full clothes and masks on to protect them. it's not like they walk in take deep breaths with t-shirts and shorts on.

    you don't need huge chimneys for zyklon b, and on top of that there are many chimneys where they incinerated jews.
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  2. Nu'maaN

    Nu'maaN Anu'naki, Nuqqa.

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    i had/have my doubts about the 20 mill too.

    hitler and stalin would've loved the song "a milli a milli a milli".

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  3. antilluminati

    antilluminati Well-Known Member

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    Don't compare yourself to any other nation to make the US governments crimes look smaller. They have broken the human rights treaty in every single operation they have been in, many are wanted war criminals because of it (Kissinger, Rumsfeld.. Bush also, but he changed US law to make him immune.) Placing Guantanamo bay just outside you boarders doesnt let you off the hook, youre breakling human rights conventions right now.

    You ignore human rights, you have no regard or respect for your international community, you override the UN, you engage in illegal wars. High standard of living? 15% are under the poverty line and 1% holds 50% of your wealth. Youre a third world country in some respects, lol.

    American banks laundered nazi money, among them George Bush's father. And many, many wealthy men in the US had ties with the nazis, you know, the same wealthy families who are most influential in your nation today.

    The US is pissing the world off, but you have to know, its not the "US", because the people, and even the government dont have a say in what conflicts you engage in, the industrialists and bankers control your shit, and thats real. So dont blame your President, blame his bosses.
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  4. Mrjdm998

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    Right, but he claimed Auschwitz was a fairytale and Hitler protected jews. I'm not saying it's right he got arrested, but he didn't just challenge the figure he straight up said it never happened.
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  5. Mrjdm998

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    YOU were the one who said to compare them dumb fuck.
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  6. antilluminati

    antilluminati Well-Known Member

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    I havent said compare yourself, but even if you do you're comparing yourself to dictatorships, which ok, might be a valid comparison. But noone have engaged in more military coups and operations than the Us this last century. To the world it seems the US is shitting on everyone. No respect for international treaties and laws, human rights, rules of engagement, UN regulations, not even their own constitution! Its like a rabid dog without a leash, and people are scared to speak up as they're afraid to get bitten.
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  7. reggie_jax

    reggie_jax rapper noyd

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    the reason it's important to criticize the US is cause it's the world's only super power. its foreign policy uses peacekeeping and democracy as a proxy for imperialism. it is the 'evil empire' of our day, so to speak, and thus its actions have more of a universal impact than say saddam's iraq. besides that, without the US there is no saddam's iraq. war with iran was exactly what we wanted out of him, and gassing of the kurds? we looked the other way, until saddam became a political enemy. that's US foreign policy. we're not the most sinister, but we are the most successfully manipulative.

    that said, i don't see what any of this has to do with holocaust denial.
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  8. x calibur

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    anti-american sentiment, mixed with some truth but more conspiracy.

    what do you mean, don't compare? you said, show me another country with a worse track record, so I did.

    the US isn't perfect. a lot of what you're referring to ties into actions during the cold war, in which we used realpolitik in our political struggles and proxy wars against communism. I don't agree with all of it, but it's somewhat understandable considering the overall geopolitics of competing spheres of influence.

    of course guantanamo bay and abu ghraib are reprehensible, but these are exceptions, not the rule. as a whole, we have guaranteed free speech, press, assembly, fair and speedy trials, abstained from torture, and maintained democratic government.

    there is unequal wealth distribution. but even though we're starting to lose some of our superpower dominance, we're far from a 3rd world country. just the infrastructure, resources, and opportunities available here set us apart from many other countries.

    how can you say we have no respect for the international community? we have plenty of alliances and international ties. Bush was headstrong enough to go against UN opinion to lead the coalition against Iraq. While that is controversial, and the war could've been conducted much better, it wasn't bad overall. We toppled a tyrant (Saddam). More recently, under Obama's admin, we helped the Libyan rebels in taking down another tyrant.

    yes, there have been incidents, abuses, and corruption. but what nation on earth isn't guilty of the same? I can't think of any historical polity that conducted themselves impeccably. The fact remains that the US measures up well by any realistic standard. not that this excuses what happened, but it puts it in perspective, especially when you're condemning the nation as a whole.
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  9. x calibur

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    like I said, we've made plenty of use of realpolitik. we're not an evil empire though, and we have often been benevolent and constructive. on the other hand, we supported nasty dictators during the cold war just because they were anti-communist. and we did ignore Saddams brutal actions while his regime coincided with our interests.

    basically, we're a decent superpower, but we do practice realpolitik and soft imperialism.
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  10. antilluminati

    antilluminati Well-Known Member

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    The only conclusion I can come with is that there isnt enough insight to view your nation from the outside or to draw comparisons to nations that function better than the US. And the whole ally thing is a joke, under the Iraqi invasion Blair was on your dick, but the country was raging against it. I lived there at the time and I was in the 2 million man march against it. Europeans are definitely pissed off with the fact you refuse be a part of international treaties for the betterment of the planet and you ignore any international outcries towards your actions.

    Here is the view people have on the US government: Its the bully of the world which everyone really want to see gets his face smashed in. But noone wants to see this affect the people, they want to see the whole US administration in jail and the elite on a leash. Vote Ron Paul at least, and make us hope for change for once. I felt sorry for you while you were being raped by the bush mafia for 8 years, and how you accepted a rigged election without a riot is beyond me. But the scary thing is, I predicted Hillary would run in 2008 (back in 2002) as you were ment to believe something was gonna change, when Obama was added to the ballot I though "that is fucking genious". But I got really scared when I saw people crying and wailing over a politician who I knew was giving the illusion of false change. Don't listen to your own media, we shake our heads over here over how biased and little objective they are. Ron Paul.
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  11. Geedorah

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    Can someone show me evidence of 6 million killed jews?
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  12. x calibur

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    there's been plenty of conflict with europe, although it's not as significant now as it was under Bush. we do work with the international community, although we follow our own objectives, sometimes in spite of international opinion. The main example I can think of for an "international treaty for the betterment of the planet" is the Kyoto Protocol. I haven't studied that in depth, but I am aware that the global warming issue is not so simple.

    My point is that we're not the Soviets. Yes we've been a superpower, and we've acted like one too. Criticism is fine, there SHOULD be criticism, but sometimes it goes to the extent of demonization - which shouldn't be the case, considering the examples I pulled up earlier.

    While European socialism has its definite advantages, it has disadvantages too.

    I study the world, and I'm pretty sure I can see things objectively. Ron Paul would be the best president theoretically. But realistically, it's not likely that he'll actually get in. I remember the 04 election controversy, a lot of people WERE pissed off about that. If there was a stronger democratic candidate, there probably would've been a riot. And our media (tv and even newspapers) can be pretty ridiculous in their bias.

    There are other issues, such as oligarchic tendencies (goldman sachs, halliburton etc). Hopefully we'll keep things under control and remain stable for the future.
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  13. Geedorah

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    Ron Paul cant do shit alone(without other politicians).

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  14. Geedorah

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  15. antilluminati

    antilluminati Well-Known Member

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    The only thing that realistically wont get Ron Paul elected is that people like you say and think it instead of voting.

    I hope that the US becomes more humble and sidelines itself with other nations and take steps so they wont be looked at as the enemy or the bully that fucks up for everyone. Still, a collapse is on the way, and Ill be on your side when the revolution comes ;)
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  16. x calibur

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    it's not just "people like me" or naysayers that are in the way of a Ron Paul administration. while he would be ideal, it's not very feasible politically. I'd like to be proven wrong, though.

    it's not the 90's, and the US has had some real issues. Hopefully we'll be able to hold off an all-out collapse. We've done alright so far, but the future is not clear.

    To be fair, most superpowers throw their weight around. If the UK, France or Germany had our level of prestige and influence, they'd probably go against the grain and pursue agendas too. Historically, there was the British Empire, French Empire, and the 2nd Reich. While these polities weren't entirely bad, they certainly played a bully role in their day.
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  17. reggie_jax

    reggie_jax rapper noyd

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    if your point is that we're better than the soviets or the superpowers that came before them, i wont disagree

    though where you see benevolence, i merely see an extension of realpolitik. we do the right thing when it benefits us more than it hurts us.
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  18. antilluminati

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    That is true, they did, back in the day. Right now the US is the bully tho, and actually not many people know this but the UK are throwing their weight around, but the british elite are using the US to spearhead their agenda, the division between the US and UK is only superficial, the ruling classes of both nations are interrelated.
    See the movie "Collapse", an interview iwth Michael Ruppert, you'll see that a collapse is inevitable. The end of prosperity is over, thats why your government have invaded Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. It's to take the oil as its running out soon, make sure the pipelines for natural gas are built, control the poppyproduction and take the libyan gold, which Khaddafi wanted to share with his people. Actually invading libya made sure that Africa wouldnt develop and made into competition, as long as the rest of the world stays underdeveloped the states can exploit them for their resources and manpower. You might think this is fair play, but to the world it is criminal, unethical and people are not having it. Noone were surprised 9/11 happened, most people were surprised it hadnt happened earlier. Although an attack on the US is pretty much impossible, probably why your leaders let it happen so they could easily carry out their agenda of globalization. If you dont believe in that read the documents for Project for a New American Century (PNAC) which demanded a "new pearl harbour" so they could do what they want by manipulating public opinion into supporting their agenda and paying for it with the tax you all pay (problem, reaction, solution; see "terrorstorm" movie). You basically pay money so your elite can get even more money, thats the whole point of "the game", if you aint down with the top families in charge, you are never going to be a player, that is an illusion, and thats why people are trying to wake US citizens into taking action. So I support the Wall Street protestors wholeheartedly, basically anyone who wants complete change, the lesser of all the evils would be to vote in Ron Paul, but it seems like on this forum most are to pussy to do so.
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  19. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    fair enough

    could it be possible some of the 90% unaccounted for after the war had managed to flee poland

    obviously it wouldn't be a huge number, some other scenarios were mentioned too though which could affect the final number
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  20. miscreant

    miscreant 1996 was the shit

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    i'd like to know how many moslems were killed in yugoslavia over the past ~20 years, not too mention the last century
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